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Inuyasha
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17 Nov 2010, 8:10 pm

@ LKL

If those George Soros funded entities are your star witnesses, your case is in serious trouble.

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18 Nov 2010, 1:13 am

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@auntblabby Okay now you are giving into hysteria. Seriously you need to stop drinking the Kool-aid.

talk about the pot calling the kettle black :roll:

YOU are the one with the stuck groove who keeps bashing obama and the dems for everything including original sin. for the love of God, try another tack because the one you're on is only preaching to your own choir. you DO want other people to entertain your opinions at least for a little bit, no? then try to be a little kinder for once.

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18 Nov 2010, 1:26 am

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I don't like tyranny. Forcing people to do things against their will is a manifestation of tyranny, particularly when the government does the forcing.

you don't like LEFT-wing tyranny, but right-wing tyranny is ok, i.e. the robber barrons are in charge of us all. governments aren't the only tyrants. :roll:

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My civic duties consist largely of not scaring the horses and being quiet at night so my neighbors can get a night's sleep.

don't tax me, don't tax thee, tax that man hiding behind the tree.

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18 Nov 2010, 9:26 am

[quote="auntblabby"]

don't tax me, don't tax thee, tax that man hiding behind the tree.[/quote

Let us tax for the necessary. We need police, a military and law courts. Anything beyond that is mischief.

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18 Nov 2010, 12:33 pm

ruveyn wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

don't tax me, don't tax thee, tax that man hiding behind the tree.

Let us tax for the necessary. We need police, a military and law courts. Anything beyond that is mischief.

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You missed infrastructure, education, and healthcare.

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18 Nov 2010, 1:15 pm

Xenon, you're surprised why? If its more income for the nation then that's the direction. The choices are largely either a more profitable economy with less egalitarian outcome or more egalitarian society with a less profitability. Perhaps egalitarianism is taking the back seat for a moment, perhaps they could keep taxes high on corporations if they wished to cut all kinds of government spending but, I really doubt that's something the current administration would want.

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18 Nov 2010, 5:09 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:

@auntblabby Okay now you are giving into hysteria. Seriously you need to stop drinking the Kool-aid.

talk about the pot calling the kettle black :roll:

I'm not blaming them for original sin...

I am going to blame them for what they did, I've studied up on history. Heck I would have a minor in history if that had been an option for my major.

I was actually the only student in my Constitutional Law class that knew which justices voted to allow Government to take away people's homes and give them to businesses using "eminent domain."

I'm not going to blame them for people actually getting loans they couldn't afford, but I will blame them for setting up the temptations and forcing banks to make loans to people they knew couldn't afford the loan.

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18 Nov 2010, 5:23 pm

It seems to me that the citizens who seek to minimize the government's role in protecting the most vulnerable members of society have no one but themselves to blame when those vulnerable members turn to whatever means are available to them to provide for their necessities of life.

It is no coincidence that the incidence of property crime rises when barriers to access to income support rise. Every human being needs to eat, and when a person cannot work--whether because that person is not capable of working, or because no one will hire that person, then mendicancy, prostitution, trafficking and theft become realistic options.

I willingly pay my taxes into a system that includes entitlement programs because I know that those programs provide a barrier between my property and property crime. Because every woman who can feed herself on welfare is one more woman who does not wind up buried on a pig farm. Because in a city with the poorest postal code in Canada, I can still safely walk down the sidewalk.

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18 Nov 2010, 8:46 pm

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I willingly pay my taxes into a system that includes entitlement programs because I know that those programs provide a barrier between my property and property crime. Because every woman who can feed herself on welfare is one more woman who does not wind up buried on a pig farm. Because in a city with the poorest postal code in Canada, I can still safely walk down the sidewalk.

Why tax?. If you are so willing, just give money to the unemployed as alms. I am sure they will appreciate your voluntary and willing generosity. What ever happened to charity?

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18 Nov 2010, 10:25 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

I was actually the only student in my Constitutional Law class that knew which justices voted to allow Government to take away people's homes and give them to businesses using "eminent domain."

yes, the right can be just as tyrannical as the left, if not more so.

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I'm not going to blame them for people actually getting loans they couldn't afford, but I will blame them for setting up the temptations and forcing banks to make loans to people they knew couldn't afford the loan.

why not also blame unscrupulous lenders who took advantage of the naivete of unsophisticates? just because something is allowed under a strict legalistic interpretation of law is no excuse for something which is unethical at best.

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18 Nov 2010, 10:27 pm

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What ever happened to charity?

you don't consider charity to be a moral hazard?

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18 Nov 2010, 10:29 pm

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It seems to me that the citizens who seek to minimize the government's role in protecting the most vulnerable members of society have no one but themselves to blame when those vulnerable members turn to whatever means are available to them to provide for their necessities of life.
It is no coincidence that the incidence of property crime rises when barriers to access to income support rise. Every human being needs to eat, and when a person cannot work--whether because that person is not capable of working, or because no one will hire that person, then mendicancy, prostitution, trafficking and theft become realistic options.
I willingly pay my taxes into a system that includes entitlement programs because I know that those programs provide a barrier between my property and property crime. Because every woman who can feed herself on welfare is one more woman who does not wind up buried on a pig farm. Because in a city with the poorest postal code in Canada, I can still safely walk down the sidewalk.

some people [especially here in america] can only learn ethics the hard way, via karma biting them back.

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18 Nov 2010, 11:57 pm

auntblabby wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

I was actually the only student in my Constitutional Law class that knew which justices voted to allow Government to take away people's homes and give them to businesses using "eminent domain."

yes, the right can be just as tyrannical as the left, if not more so.

Last I checked it was Democrats and the Liberal Left wanting to stifle free speech not the Republicans and Conservatives.

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If they were forced to do it by the Federal Government, then why should they be punished. This wasn't Federal Government allowing them to do this, this was Federal Government saying "do this or else." There is a pretty big difference.

Btw, Obama and ACORN were partially responsible for this mess.

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19 Nov 2010, 12:21 am

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Last I checked it was Democrats and the Liberal Left wanting to stifle free speech not the Republicans and Conservatives.

the rightists just want to block equal access to the organs of widely disseminated speech, to those sans fundage, via broad-shouldered corporate shoving-aside of everybody else. and btw, it is only repubs that wanted to stifle "heather has two mommies." it is only repubs that want to censor the teaching of evolution and sex ed in schools.

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the feds never told anybody to lie to customers. you can't deny that there was an awful lot of liar loan action going on. it's a sin to tell a lie, especially if the liars are the ones loaning the money with a hidden agenda, and goading lies from their customers with a wink and a smile. just because something is not specifically proscribed, does it mean it is ethically right to do.

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19 Nov 2010, 12:35 am

Inuyasha wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

I was actually the only student in my Constitutional Law class that knew which justices voted to allow Government to take away people's homes and give them to businesses using "eminent domain."

yes, the right can be just as tyrannical as the left, if not more so.

Last I checked it was Democrats and the Liberal Left wanting to stifle free speech not the Republicans and Conservatives.

It's the Right that wants to turn the internet into another type of cable, where we have to pay for access and someone else decides what is kosher.

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19 Nov 2010, 12:39 am

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Inuyasha wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

I was actually the only student in my Constitutional Law class that knew which justices voted to allow Government to take away people's homes and give them to businesses using "eminent domain."

yes, the right can be just as tyrannical as the left, if not more so.

Last I checked it was Democrats and the Liberal Left wanting to stifle free speech not the Republicans and Conservatives.

It's the Right that wants to turn the internet into another type of cable, where we have to pay for access and someone else decides what is kosher.

We already pay for internet access to various service providers and btw, you're referring to net neutrality which is the Democrats. Get your facts straight.

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