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31 Dec 2010, 3:18 pm

I was born to Athiest parents, though my dad was raised Catholic...my parents never stopped my from going to church when i was a kid so i experienced Catholic, Baptist, and Pentecostal....the Pentecostal one scared the crap out of me, they all started writhing on the floor and speaking in tongues--never went back to any church after that

As i grew older i dabbled in Wiccan but it didnt suit me...

Then i found Juggaloism (AKA Fellowship of Juggalos)-- it is a religion that embraces all walks of life, and beliefs(though it's main basis is Christianity) and i found it to be a perfect fit for me

Here's some info on it because i searched and searched here to see if any one else is one and found i'm all alone lol
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and here's some terms you may not be familiar with:
Juggalo/Juggalette/Ninja/Ninjette/Ninjalo-- all labels that describe us (much like those who have a set religion call themselves their preferred religion such as Christian, Child of God, Buddhist, Wiccan, Satanist, etc

Dark Carnival--God and also refers to the ones who retrieve your soul and take you to either Heaven or Hell

Shangri-La-- our term for Heaven

Hell's Pit-- our term for Hell

The Wraith-- Devil

The Six Joker's Cards-- each one (the 6th is actually in 2 parts-"The Wraith-Shangri-la" and "The Wraith-Hell's Pit") has messages as to how to live your life-- they are explained in depth in the following 2 articles (if i was to add all of them here i would probably have to make a whole thread on this subject)

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Carnival of Carnage - 1992

Carnival of Carnage was released early 1992, and was their first "face" of the Dark Carnival, a "Joker's Card". The Joker's Card albums are concept albums, 6 chapters of a single story of a Dead Carnival bringing about the judgement (some believe this is a modern revision of an ancient Egyptian myth laced with post-modern Christian themes of the End Times, but that is, as the group might say, "purely speculation"). With each Card, came more details and more parts of the story, so the story evolved over time. Riddles were planted everywhere in the music of the Joker's Cards, becoming a trademark of the music. Some riddles seemed to even tie to the childhood of the members, seeming as though the artistic vision of the group was further reaching than it originally seemed. In other parts there were even subliminal messages with strange religious overtones. This very mysterious, roundabout way to tell a story seemed to hint at something more complex than the juvenile horror tales on the tracks themselves.
The first chapter of the story, Carnival of Carnage, starts in with an eerie spoken introduction

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The Ringmaster - 1994

Each Joker's Card acts as something of a warning of the judgement. Carnival of Carnage was a warning about what would happen if we neglect those who are disenfranchised. The Ringmaster is a warning about what happens if we neglect our very basic morals. Chapter 2 of the Joker's Card story continues with the afterlife... once you die, you get to meet the dead Carnival. The Ringmaster is it's leader, who will determine what happens to you, and he's powered by your very own mortal sins. This terrible beast compromises every wrong deed and element of evil, and he's the thing that will judge you in the afterlife. The tracks of the album reflect this theme, with songs telling the listener about the Carnival's eternal trip through the afterlife, taking the evil souls through it's exhibits ("Murder Go Round", "Wagon Wagon", "House of Mirrors"), as well as a few unique, inflective songs like "Southwest Song". Ringmaster sets the theme for future Joker's Cards, and picks up where Carnival of Carnage left off. The elements of moral judgement are much more obvious, but still incomplete. Low points of the album make it a little dated and dull by today's standards, but of course, the improvement from Carnival of Carnage is obvious.

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Juggaloism

Actually it is a real religion. Due to the fact that Juggalos come from all faith backgrounds, it would be difficult to describe the higher power, or God, in a way that would be understood by everyone if we didn't call it the Dark Carnival. The place of happiness and peace in the afterlife is called Shangri-la, the place of punishment and regret is called Hell's Pit.
As with any other religion, Juggaloism sets out guidelines for behavior, such as don't hate on other Juggalos, no domestic violence, racism, things like that. We have our own clergy, religious meetings, and are recognized by the government as a religion. The hatchetman is a valid religious symbol to those who believe in Juggaloism and is therefore protected by religious freedom. We are in no way a cult, because we do not require money or blind obedience from members.
Some of the actions of the Fellowship of Juggalos (a church started for Juggalos), have been the Juggalo Suicide Prevention line, care packages for pregnant Juggalettes, and monetary assistance (out of the clergy's pockets) for members in need.
if a person doesn't claim a faith on their own, but they believe in the Dark Carnival, Shangri-la, and Hell's pit, that's Juggaloism.

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What is the Dark Carnival?

The Dark Carnival preaches to everyone in many different ways. Me and Shaggy are just one of it's ways to reach people. For example, even an old lady that plays Bingo every weekend will eventually hear the words of the Dark Carnival only it will be through a different outlet. Something that interests her will give her the message. Weather or not she acts upon it is up to her. What ever this force is, it reaches us all, whether you heed its warnings or not is your own choice.

This is what will happen to those that received the Dark Carnival's messages threw us. After death, your soul will stand up out of your body. You will all the sudden see The Dark Carnival's parade of wagons rolling towards you. Lead by the 6 Joker's Card faces on giant flags and an entire parade of ghost and wagons following them. You'll know right when you see them that there not with God and not with the Devil... These wagons are about to take you to one of them though. You're about to face judgment. I think The Dark Carnival might be a neutral group of ghosts. Existing between heaven and hell because in life, it's warnings just open your eyes and show you what you are. They let you choose weather or not you feel you need to make a change in yourself. Once you die, they gladly take you to heaven or hell, which ever you deserve. We've explained and we continue to explain all of this threw our music. It loves to reward the people who heeded it's warnings and it loves to punish those who laughed at it's warnings. Everybody in the world will hear it's words before they die. It will reach us all, weather or not you act upon it is up to you.

The 6 Jokers Cards show you 6 different sides of yourself that you might have over looked. They help to show you your own evils ...Each Jokers Card is another version of you. For example, take The Ringmaster... Imagine if after you die, all your sins combined into one big monster... How big would your monster be? Ask your self that. Can you take down your own sin monster? If you can't, then your burning in Hell. If you can, then your off to Shangri-La. That's what the Ringmaster is.

The most important thing The Dark Carnival has taught me about getting my s**t together and becoming a better ninja is this... You shouldn't be a cool ninja just because your scared of going to Hell when you die.. You should be a cool ninja cause it's cool to be a cool ninja! Understand ninja? Cool.

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http://www.juggalofaith.com/sect/truths/

http://www.thefellowshipofjuggalos.com/node/40

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=48097779560



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31 Dec 2010, 6:59 pm

Non-denominational Christian.



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31 Dec 2010, 9:41 pm

chrissyrun wrote:
If you are comfortable enough to share, then tell...

I'll start:
I am mormon.


Now baring in mind the Mormans came about by an angel from heaven giving John Smith additional scripture to what was in the Bible, namely, the book of Morman, Ive allways wanted to know what Mormans think about this scripture from Galations Chapter 1, which seems to me, precisely what actually happened!

1:6 I marvel that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ to a different gospel;

1:7 and there isn't another gospel. Only there are some who trouble you, and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.

1:8 But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.

1:9 As we have said before, so I now say again: if any man preaches to you any gospel other than that which you received, let him be cursed.



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31 Dec 2010, 10:16 pm

Joseph Smith.

But be that as it may - But note that even closely affiliated branches of mainstream Christianity differ as to which parts of scripture they emphasize, deemphasize, or ignore.

Christianity has NT trump OT, Islam and Mormonism have their books trump OT and NT.

Wherefore I doubt Paul will have that much pull. There are likely sources on Mormon theology that would bear on the question.



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31 Dec 2010, 10:28 pm

atheist, plain and simple.


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31 Dec 2010, 10:38 pm

Philologos wrote:
Joseph Smith.

But be that as it may - But note that even closely affiliated branches of mainstream Christianity differ as to which parts of scripture they emphasize, deemphasize, or ignore.



Oh yeah, sorry, I must have been thinking of beer
Precisely why I consider myself Christian, but dont attend any religion, if your going to follow the religion of the Bible, you have to follow it all, not just keep the bits you like.

Heres another scripture along these lines,

18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.



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31 Dec 2010, 10:44 pm

" if your going to follow the religion of the Bible, you have to follow it all, not just keep the bits you like. "

I get your point, of course, A problem is that even with a very liberal and creative standard for interpretation, there are still a lot of passages that are seriously obscure and others whose conflicts require going far outside the scripture to reconcile.

For what it is worth, one of the deepest most serious Christians I have known had a Bible full of passages she that lined out,



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31 Dec 2010, 11:55 pm

Nambo wrote:
chrissyrun wrote:
If you are comfortable enough to share, then tell...

I'll start:
I am mormon.


Now baring in mind the Mormans came about by an angel from heaven giving John Smith additional scripture to what was in the Bible, namely, the book of Morman, Ive allways wanted to know what Mormans think about this scripture from Galations Chapter 1, which seems to me, precisely what actually happened!

1:6 I marvel that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ to a different gospel;

1:7 and there isn't another gospel. Only there are some who trouble you, and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.

1:8 But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.

1:9 As we have said before, so I now say again: if any man preaches to you any gospel other than that which you received, let him be cursed.


Whatever our personal feelings toward Mormonism might be, we all should remember to be polite. Particularly with a subject that makes people defensive, like religion. I admit, I am sometimes guilty of this, myself.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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01 Jan 2011, 1:17 am

I don't really have a religion, I'm more borderline agnostic I guess. I definetly don't belive in God, Satan, Heaven, or Hell because to believe in those things you have to believe that everything in life is black (evil) or white (good), when in reality everything is actually just shades of grey (neutral). I do believe there is some sort of afterlife waiting for us, but whatever it is we're all headed towards the same place. To think that your fellow humans are going to a bad place for having ideals opposite of yours and that you and everyone who shares your exact view is going to a better place is pretty selfish, in my opinion.



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01 Jan 2011, 7:46 am

Pastafarianism, ever since I've been touched by His Noodly Appendage.



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01 Jan 2011, 10:21 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Nambo wrote:
chrissyrun wrote:
If you are comfortable enough to share, then tell...

I'll start:
I am mormon.


Now baring in mind the Mormans came about by an angel from heaven giving John Smith additional scripture to what was in the Bible, namely, the book of Morman, Ive allways wanted to know what Mormans think about this scripture from Galations Chapter 1, which seems to me, precisely what actually happened!

1:6 I marvel that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ to a different gospel;

1:7 and there isn't another gospel. Only there are some who trouble you, and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.

1:8 But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.

1:9 As we have said before, so I now say again: if any man preaches to you any gospel other than that which you received, let him be cursed.


Whatever our personal feelings toward Mormonism might be, we all should remember to be polite. Particularly with a subject that makes people defensive, like religion. I admit, I am sometimes guilty of this, myself.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Whilst I dont think mine is the rudest of the comments, I get your point, though I didnt mean it to be rude, just to make the OP consider.
I do it out of Love in that I consider all religions apart from pre-Messianic Judaism to be inventions of man and the Devil, with the purpose of using and misleading good God fearing people, from thier own salvation.
I look forwad to the day Jesus sends the "Two Witnesses" of Zepaniah and Revelation, who themselves will condemn all these religions of men and re-establish a pure worship.

Just like most of the original Jews though, most people will be more loyal to their religion than they will be to the God they claim to worship through it.



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01 Jan 2011, 11:34 pm

I used to say I was an atheist but that only draws attention to on aspect of the world I don't believe in which is God and in particular the Abrahamic version of God. But these days I describe myself and a scientific pantheist which is a much boarder world view just plane stand alone atheism probably in a similar way to secular humanism but unlike secular humanism I am not so content with being ignorant about the rest of the universe.



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02 Jan 2011, 1:35 am

Since it is not in any part of my character I find it a major puzzle why anybody would want to worship anything. Is worshiping an ever present motivation to grovel before something? Out of what? Fear? I just don't get it.



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02 Jan 2011, 8:50 am

"But I do have to laugh that Webster used "religious" to define "religion". Webster couldn't have done better? It is like defining "jog" as "a act in which a person goes for a jog". Seriously? Am I the only one who is feeling that definition is a little like describing the word with the word? "

Try writing a dictionary some time. The example is a problem ONLY if "religious" the noun is defined in terms of "religion". You cannot include pictures of everything, and the lexicographer necessarily and legitimately assumes the user of the dictionary to have some basic level of familiarity with the language.

"jogger = one who jogs" is fine so long as jog is separately designed as "run at a moderate pace, especially as part of an exercise regime".

You do occasionally find really bad cases of circularity. I know one dictionary where a word is defined with "see ...." So okay, the word is a bit off color, the lexicographer didn't want to explain it twice. Only when you get to the other word, it says "see ..." - I guess he said, I already DID this word. Producing a nice infinite loop.



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02 Jan 2011, 8:59 pm

Sand wrote:
Since it is not in any part of my character I find it a major puzzle why anybody would want to worship anything. Is worshiping an ever present motivation to grovel before something? Out of what? Fear? I just don't get it.


Your basic assumption here is that all religion is about worshiping stuff, which isn't true. Buddhism is about the cessation of suffering by giving letting go of attachments to the ego. With mystical religions in general, God isn't something that's really worshiped. God is more like a frequency people get into touch with to break away from a deterministic system into actions of their own free will or to advance to a higher state of being.