But you know.....Stem Cells are unethical

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Even holding to human exceptionalism (and for all legal purposes, I do) I still don't understand your attitude toward corpses. A corpse is no longer a human being. As my grandfather said before he died, there's no sense in going to the cemetery to see his grave, because he won't be there. Most major religions hold to a distinct soul that separates from the body at death. Once it has departed, the corpse is nothing but an empty shell.


No, you are constructing a straw man. Forcibly taking vital organs from a person who is still using them is universally recognized as immoral, and is nothing like stem cell research. Do people do illegal and immoral things? Yes. That doesn't mean I am in favor of it. So please, enough of your inane assertions that I somehow support such actions.

Through that logic, drug testing shouldn't be done either because pfiezer did illegal human testing on nigerian kids.

http://www.democracynow.org/seo/2010/12 ... n_attorney

"So please, enough of your inane assertions that I somehow support such actions."

Who told ME to learn to read?

WHERE do I claim you support anything of the sort? I have not consciously accused you of supporting - hey, did I even accuse you of supporting stem cell research? Can't find it right now.

I DID suggest you differ from me on human exceptionality. You say you at least do not totally disagree. Fine.

I DID suggest you may have more faith in government than I. You have not commented. Fine.

A leetle detachment, if you please.

I assert - which is in NO way an attack on you - that I have [yes it is irrational] attachment to human relics especially those evacuated by mine own. I choose not to eat them or stuff them or use them for fertilizer or shark bait, and I would rather not have their organs stuck into me unless they gave specific instructions.

This does not accuse you, criticize you, or restrict you from using stem cells you have title to for research.

I further assert - which is in NO way an attack on you - that I believe that certain types of scientici research and medical practice are inappropriate, and that increasing materialism and redefinition and devaluation of human life tend to foster criminal activities we both deplore.

Thids does not accuse you, criticize you, or restrict you even from calling me inane.

Well this is an odd development...

So... if researchers were to create embryos specifically for the purpose of harvesting stem cells (providing they either were the sperm/egg donors or obtained consesnt), you would not object? Because that seems to be what you just said.


The implication was clear, Phil. You are employing the typical slippery slope fallacy in claiming that supporting life-saving research leads to murdering people for their organs.

I also have lost my Grandfather to Parkinsons Disease, and I can't remember whom said that and I'm not going to look. I will say they are lucky they weren't in the same room as me, because they would have a broken nose at the very least.

Hey - thankee kindly.

Parkinson's is horrible. The treatment? Talk barbaric - meds that help IF you have less than 5 years to live and then eat you up inch by each. To the point our friend freezes up a few times a day and you can't get more than two words out of twenty when he talks.

Let me not start. Gets me mad.

ALSO gets me mad when someone throws a ball of excrement without finding out who he's talking to.

The thing is, I think my Grandfather would be staunchly opposed to embryonic stem cell research even if it meant it would short cut a cure for Parkinsons.

Fact is I'm against Fertility clinics for the reason it introduces the moral quandry of all these embryos left over. Quite frankly in a situation with those kind of results, it shouldn't be done at all. You can always adopt a child that needs a home.

I'm not a big fan of fertility clinics either (and I've personally experienced infertility issues). I'm very much in favor of adoption as a better alternative well. However, I am for the freedom of choice on the matter and do not presume that my beliefs are always what works for others.

No. A person CANNOT always adopt a child. The agencies have eligibility criteria and not everyone meets the standard. For example a lesbian couple would have a hard time adopting in most states.

ruveyn

Of course, breaking noses is the solution to all complicated problems.