Autism and atheism

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Theism exists because evolution allows it. It is something that exists in every known culture. That it exists so universally would suggest that it has some adaptive advantage. Atheism has been around for a long time as well. I wonder why it has never supplanted theism.

edit: flak jacket=bullet proof vest

My theory is it exists as a self fulfilling prophecy in complex life forms with acceleration regions in their halpotypes. A psychic impression of sorts.
Hee hee, I looked on google and found out about flak jackets before you responded. My curiosity got the best of me

You have a "source that you can recall in your mind?" ... so, "No," you don't know why you believe that Aspies are atheists?

Trolling for atheists? (Come out come out wherever you are!)

It does seem like logical Aspies might lean toward atheism because there isn't any proof God does exist. Religious texts are full of illogical miracles as well. A logical thinker would have trouble explaining them.

What about true believer Aspies? Are they illogical?

Not sure what a true believer Aspie is...but if they believe in miracles, I would call that illogical unless you can explain to me exactly how said miracle happened. I am one of those people that requires explanations, not just 'he waved his hands in the air and there were thousands of fish available for the multitudes to dine on.' I want to know how those fish got there. Maybe his apostles, since they were fishermen, caught them in their nets and brought them to the audience? That's the kind of explanation I need or I don't take it seriously. It becomes smoke and mirrors if you call it a miracle.

I've already explained and apologized if you read the first post's edit. Feel free to read it. It's generally good to read the first post in a discussion before posting.

I, for one, wasn't offended by the original post. I just didn't accept the premise.

"everything we know about atheism"
What exactly is there to know about it? It's a simple concept to me, and I don't understand why people seem to make it out to be so much bigger than it is. It's a lack of belief in gods. That's all.

I have aspergers, and am a mystic, and would never date an athiest, if that helps.

I believe i've already answered the question you raised in this post, but just for the sake of clarity, I do not believe in the sort of god featured in holy books like the bible.


As for some other type of "god", be it a pantheistic "god" which hardly can be technically defined as a "god" (universal consciousness which obviously also seems to possess force/will AND form if it exists) or some material beings who merely appear god-like, I think all that is comparatively likely enough.

Still....the empirical data which would support even the existence of these things is lacking of course. Nevertheless.... the LOGIC which underwrites the possible existence of such things is far superior, IMO, to the "logic" which supports the existence of some bellowing, belligerent, all-powerful, all-knowing, all-"good" Nazi SS man writ large in the sky who, no matter what "he" (and "his" followers) claim to the contrary, obviously seems to take extremely sadistic pleasure in torturing "his" creations

You never know, our galaxy might have been created by such an entity as this.
Here's something interesting to consider. What if there's a species that's been around a few billion years and has mastered the laws of science so they can create individual galaxies. They all make a pact and one individual or a small family is in charge of each galaxy. So, you have all these gods with jurisdiction over the galaxies they created and one of the galaxies happens to be our own Milky Way. Maybe they have something like milk in their culture and the one who created our galaxy thought it would be cool to create something that looks like a stream of milk?
So, we have this god presiding over our galaxy. Now all we need to do is prove our god is there.
What if the god who made all this possible doesn't want us to ever know about him? How are we going to prove he's there.
I think there are two possible scenarios. One could be us becoming these types of gods in a few million years (or less) ourselves or our planet was made possible by such a being and he has decided he doesn't want us to advance that far so everything is fated. That's where the concept of the Biblical God of Abraham enters our collective psyche...

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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke

I agree, but let me have a chance to see or hear how such technology makes this magic possible...

Well......that rules me out


It's not like the 9000 mile distance between us already hasn't though....lol.


On top of that....you probably also think i'm an idiot, a pig, a womanizer, a misogynist, a "loser", etc.....


Further still....i'm broke (at least right now even though I finally have a job after 19 months of unemployment and severe depression ), 41 and I live with my mother.

In other words....regardless of my atheism....i'm a real catch for about 99.99999999999999.....% of women in the world


Still.....i'm not sure if I understand your aversion to dating atheists. If you understand HOW most reasonable and humble atheists define their atheism, idk why any "free-floating" and self-proclaimed mystic would have a problem dating a person simply BECAUSE they are the sort of atheist i'm referring to.


You know.....an atheist like me


Well....if you change your mind about dating me....hop on the next Qantas flight to Miami, Fl, take a cab to my neighborhood in Ft. Lauderdale, Fl and i'll meet you at the McDonald's down the street.


I'll even buy you a happy meal!! !

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:






This is precisely why "religions" like Crowley's Thelema are so profoundly appealing to me. It's one reason why Nietzschean philosophy is as well. While neither of these men held any brief for socialism, (politically/economically speaking....I define myself as a Libertarian Socialist or Anarcho-Communist) I don't expect 100% agreement from others in terms of ALL my worldviews in order to respect/agree with at least some of their own.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema


Still.....Crowley said many things throughout his life which would suggest he had no greater love for capitalism and the, "businessmen who are the real power behind the state and who betray their own country as a matter of obvious routine" than he did for socialism.




Btw....the Wikipedia entry is more or less correct. The one glaring error that I saw in it is the claim that Israel Regardie was a "Thelemic" writer.

That is false and Regardie himself balked at the suggestion several times in his life to the point of exasperation towards those making it. He was primarily a follower of the Golden Dawn system, which is quite distinct from Crowley's Thelema.

You commented on the state of mind of "many" atheists verses certain kinds of theists. I responded by explaining my state of mind, and the state of mind of "many" atheists I've been acquainted with, as compared to the theists you described. I wasn't arguing the existence or non-existence of a god.

Confusion arises by your use of the word "many." How "many" atheists are "many atheists?" Would you happen to have any actual numbers? I feel compelled to ask because of the "many" atheists I've spoken with, most of them resemble me more so than the frothing, fundamentalist caricatures you described. Hence the problem with relying on personal experience and anecdotes.



What "point" would that be?



It's hardly "sophistry." I currently have no reason to believe in a god. Is it "sophistry" to suggest that I presently have no reason to believe there's an invisible, inaudible, intangible pink unicorn standing in my living room? I acknowledge the possibility it exists, but I see no reason to believe there is.



Excellent question!

My hypothesis:

"Atheism" being defined simply as a "lack of belief" in any god is a difficult position to attack for those interested in proving the existence of some sort of "god-thingy." It's much easier to assault direct assertions concerning the non-existence of a god-thingy than it is to deal with someone who simply wants to take a "wait and see" approach. Making atheism more complicated than it actually is is a means to make it a "weaker" position. It's like you're the little pig sitting inside of the brick dwelling listening to the wolf b***h and moan about how it's too hard to blow your house down, so you should move into the straw house instead to make it fair. Or so my personal experience has been thus far. Obviously, your experiences may have differed.

Personally, one of the reasons I "converted" to atheism was the sheer simple elegance of the idea. I dislike "mess," which is how I interpret much of theism in its various forms: sloppy, gooey, disorganized mess. Once again, your mileage may vary and I don't consider theists themselves to be automatically stupid or illogical.

Peace out.

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