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24 Jan 2011, 9:51 am

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Brother Sanchenuss! Great to see you here, and thanks for informing me about this wonderful forum. I intend to support Astrologically as well, will be posting soon on that

Your post is very insightful. Will write more soon.

Thank You. I am sure that you will give many insights to the wonderful people of this forum. They need to listen to your information.

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24 Jan 2011, 9:53 am

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I really don't think I am going to find a job, I am starting college(again, dropped out last time), but I am fairly convinced im not going to make it very far before I end up falling over the edge of my sanity or attempting suicide. though i could just be stressed about college so im just thinking about that to rationalize the anxiety I'm feeling, don't really know.

Do you have the opportunity to engage in something like art (pottery, painting, woodwork) that uses your hands while leaving your mind to relax? It can be very beneficial to build something into your timetable, and colleges often have facilities for art. Also, I see in all your posts that you write extremely well.

Yes I do have writing skills, So if I can manage to keep going...I might do something with writing I am not very good with art forms like pottery, painting or woodwork. I usually can cover it up pretty well but I feel like my motor skills never developed correctly so things like that are more difficult for me then most people hell I even have trouble cutting up vegtables for instance if I am making a salad or something. Sometimes I wish I had less intelligence, then it would not be so bad that I can't seem to find much to do with it. I think I finally understand why there is a fine line between high intelligence and insanity.

Sweetleaf, I think that you were born to write. I think that you should write as much as you can because it can have a healing effect on your moods. I would also like to read some of your writings.

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24 Jan 2011, 10:01 am

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Suicide buys you a ticket straight to Hell. Who in their right mind thinks that God would openly accept someone into his kingdom for intentional ending the life that He graciously gave them. That's like receiving a gift from someone, immediately throwing it on the floor, and stomping it to pieces as they watched.

this is a hard concept for some folks, but sometimes a "gift" can be toxic to the recipient.

This suicide sends you to hell stuff needs to stop. Suicide is not the answer but you also don't preach hellfire and condemnation. If Hell exists, it is reserved for demons and not humans. No one is below redemption, especially humans. The Creator always offers redemption, you are never lost and never without hope.

I also do not believe that a gift can be "toxic". That is non sense. You are given gifts, the only toxic thing would not being able to understand why you have these gifts.

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24 Jan 2011, 10:06 am

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Suicide isn't permanent. Suicide doesn't help. In fact, Suicide does absolutely nothing at all. You think, you will escape by killing yourself? Is it really that easy? The answer is no it is not. When you kill yourself, you do not escape pain, you do not cease to exist, what you do is merely shed the body that you are contained in. Like a cocoon. Anyone that kills themselves is severely disappointed when they learn this. They pull the trigger and they hear the blast of the gun but they are still there, only now they are a spirit and not a physical body. They think, what have I done. I can't go back. The problem is still there. You will go back to your source and you will realize that you didn't learn your lesson. You will have to start ALL OVER again. All those years of building up knowledge and memories for nothing. All because you couldn't get over the illusion of one simple obstacle that in the long run doesn't really matter at all. All the obstacles in your life, all the pain are very small in the grand scheme of things. They are little hurdles that you can easily jump over but are afraid too. When a person commits suicide they say to them self "All I had to do was overcome that". They become very angry at themselves for being so stupid. But as I tell you this, you now have a chance. You don't have to follow in the footsteps of these people. Suicide is not the answer. Overcoming your problems and moving towards self realization and happiness IS the answer. There is a brighter world for everyone. There is a magical world and it is waiting for you to discover.

Unfortunately, there is no evidence to support your theory of what happens after suicide, as no one has ever been able to return to report on this. There are only theories and beliefs, not hard, concrete proof. Yes, we can say faith proves it, but try telling that to someone who has lost all faith - i.e. someone contemplating suicide.

Whatever the case, there are people who are in so much pain that this life and this world are not worth continuing in. Telling them that death is not the answer will not make them want to die any less. The answer is working to help them cope with the pain and find hope, a purpose, and happiness again.

I have come to earth to tell you that with 100 % certainty that you do not cease to exist after "death". The term death is very misunderstood as it is more of a transformation. However, it is VERY important to understand that everyone has come to earth for a reason and a purpose. You came here to complete a certain task, mainly to help out your brothers and sisters in the world, the problem that people have is finding out what gift they bring with them to this plane. I am here to help them find that gift and to use it to help them world grow into a golden age.

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24 Jan 2011, 10:47 am

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I also feel that posts of members wanting to commit suicide or wishing that they were aborted, very disturbing. The posts about the second thing that I've mentioned could be giving Autism Speaks fule for their fire, and I really don't want for that to happen.

I agree. I used to feel pretty damn low during my teenage years, and even thought about just walking out into the street a few times. But I would never not wanna be alive now. Or wish I'd been aborted.

This world is not so great, but we can make it better by being ourselves and being good people to others.

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24 Jan 2011, 10:47 am

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Suicide buys you a ticket straight to Hell. Who in their right mind thinks that God would openly accept someone into his kingdom for intentional ending the life that He graciously gave them. That's like receiving a gift from someone, immediately throwing it on the floor, and stomping it to pieces as they watched.

What if the person did not like the gift?

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24 Jan 2011, 10:50 am

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Suicide buys you a ticket straight to Hell. Who in their right mind thinks that God would openly accept someone into his kingdom for intentional ending the life that He graciously gave them. That's like receiving a gift from someone, immediately throwing it on the floor, and stomping it to pieces as they watched.

If God were real, it was HIS fault for creating suicide, HIS fault for creating evil. Would it be that hard for an omnipotent being to make it so a person was so unhappy that he was forced to end his life?

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24 Jan 2011, 11:03 am

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Every person in the world has equal value. Anyone who posts on this form has the capacity to contribute to the betterment of society.

Equal value, bullsh!t if I had equal value I would have not been beaten up from 1st grade to 10th grade everyday. The teachers would have punished my tormentors and kept them away from me instead of yelling at me for bringing trouble to their class. If I was a good as the next guy I would have a girlfriend and good paying job right now. What world do you live on?

The only thing I want to contribute to this society is to hand someone the match that will burn it all down.

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24 Jan 2011, 11:18 am

markko wrote:

Suicide buys you a ticket straight to Hell. Who in their right mind thinks that God would openly accept someone into his kingdom for intentional ending the life that He graciously gave them. That's like receiving a gift from someone, immediately throwing it on the floor, and stomping it to pieces as they watched.

If god gave me this gift then f**k him I would not only throw it to the floor to stomp on I would gladly dance on it. Your god is one of the newer religions the only reason it is so wide spread is because the Roman's forced it upon other cultures who had established religions that were ended with force. Christianity is responsible for destroying so many cultures in Europe and the Americas. If someone wants to end their suffering then let them.

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24 Jan 2011, 11:26 am

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At least you are articulate enough to be able to express what half the moronic population could never. You mightn't be treated equal, but at least you should find solace in the fact you are superior to many of your persecutors.

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Good for not buying that emotional blackmail BS. A Suicidal man no more has a gift from God than Faust had from Mephistopheles.

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24 Jan 2011, 11:34 am

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Suicide buys you a ticket straight to Hell. Who in their right mind thinks that God would openly accept someone into his kingdom for intentional ending the life that He graciously gave them. That's like receiving a gift from someone, immediately throwing it on the floor, and stomping it to pieces as they watched.

"God" or The Infinite Creator IS real and IT didn't create suicide or evil. The Creator gave humans what is called FREE WILL and it is through free will that you can do things like kill yourself or do harm to others. If The Creator didn't give us free will and It just made everything perfect, then we would all be robots. Would you want that? You see, the Creator gives us the option to choose what path we go on because ultimately we will realize that it is on the right path that we are lead back to It and to an understanding of how things work. This is what free will is all about. It isn't The Creators fault that we don't apply it to the best of our ability.

Also you use the term "he" to describe "God". This shows that you still have a man made conception of what "God" is. The True "God" is sexless. It isn't he or she.

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24 Jan 2011, 11:40 am

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Every person in the world has equal value. Anyone who posts on this form has the capacity to contribute to the betterment of society.

Every person in the world does have equal value but what value do you base your life around? From your statement, it seems that you value a girlfriend and a good paying job. Is this true value? Or is this value that society has taught you? What worth do these things have in the long run? What value or worth do these things have for your SOUL?

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24 Jan 2011, 11:48 am

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Suicide buys you a ticket straight to Hell. Who in their right mind thinks that God would openly accept someone into his kingdom for intentional ending the life that He graciously gave them. That's like receiving a gift from someone, immediately throwing it on the floor, and stomping it to pieces as they watched.

Do not let this person make you confused with what is "God" and what is The True Creator. Their conception of "God" is not right, it has some flaws, it is man made. You can understand The Creator or the True God through understanding your self because The Creator made us in Its Image, we are like the Creator, we have It's attributes, so in understanding ourselves and the universe we understand The Creator. Do not let man made religion destroy your relationship with the one who made you. And what are YOU? Are you a body? Are you a mind? Are you a body and a mind? Is there a third factor involved? A soul? Is this soul your true self? The body more of a cover or a car, where as the soul is the driver? These are things for you to ponder and learn.

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24 Jan 2011, 11:48 am

I don't believe in true Free Will, but anyway, let's formalise your argument;

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- God is real.
- God made everything.
- God is Omnipotent/Omniscient.

If God created everything, he still created Evil indirectly.
If God is Omniscient, he was well aware of what he was creating.
Therefore, God knowingly created evil.

Lets keep going. God could have made it impossible for people to be evil, and still give them Free Will. This is not a contradiction; If I try to fly, I can't. If I try to turn invisible, I can't. Free will already has boundaries, why not have a few more?

Or better yet, why not create the Universe as a Mechanistic chain of events in which Free Will can't really exist (like our Universe), give us the Illusion of Free Will, and set it up so that nothing evil ever happens, that no man suffers unneccesarily. Why create suffering?

So God clearly had a choice of preserving Free Will and not creating Evil and Suffering, and he took the other path. So;

God created Evil

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Also you use the term "he" to describe "God". This shows that you still have a man made conception of what "God" is. The True "God" is sexless. It isn't he or she.

I know, but God is referred to as "Him" in the Bible, and the role of women is downplayed in the Koran. So I think "Him" is appropriate, although not necessarily Canon.

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24 Jan 2011, 11:59 am

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Creator my ass. If he made us in his image than that makes him as bad and awful as us. That is someone I would not waste time worshipping. The ones who made me were my mom and dad not some unseen diety. What am I, I'll tell you what I am. I am the one who laughs at religious nut cases and who snickers at posts like yours. :roll:

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24 Jan 2011, 12:01 pm

Sorry to double post, but I must reply;

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Do not let this person make you confused with what is "God" and what is The True Creator. Their conception of "God" is not right, it has some flaws, it is man made.

You can understand The Creator or the True God through understanding your self because The Creator made us in Its Image, we are like the Creator, we have It's attributes, so in understanding ourselves and the universe we understand The Creator. Do not let man made religion destroy your relationship with the one who made you. And what are YOU? Are you a body? Are you a mind? Are you a body and a mind? Is there a third factor involved? A soul? Is this soul your true self? The body more of a cover or a car, where as the soul is the driver? These are things for you to ponder and learn.

If God made us in his Image, then God is often Shallow, Stupid, Jealous, Proud, Greedy and above all Violent. I wouldn't worship another imperfect man, so I won't worship an imaginary one

Even if there is a Soul, it's not "your true self". Personality, Morality, are all part of the brain (if you don't believe me, Google Phineas Gage). So at best, the Soul is consciousness itself. The Ego (and hence all individuality) has to die with the body.

Do you define yourself as your mere consciousness, not your beliefs, your memories, your preferences? No, so the Soul couldn't be you.

I'm sorry if my attacks seem vitriolic, but your arguments seem more like arguments you've heard from your pastor than conclusions you've drawn yourself. I respect the beliefs of the forumite "91" because he has clearly thought so thoroughly about his beliefs. Yours, I'm sad to say, are somewhat easier to pick apart. I have nothing against you personaly, but I will always have a go at what I see to be a bad idea. I hope you are the same

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