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19 Feb 2011, 2:45 pm

:roll: @ this entire topic.



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19 Feb 2011, 2:51 pm

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Funny I posted at least two sources concerning this both on the first page.

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The Democratic National Committee's Organizing for America arm -- the remnant of the 2008 Obama campaign -- is playing an active role in organizing protests against Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's attempt to strip most public employees of collective bargaining rights.
http://nation.foxnews.com/wisconsin-pro ... n-protests

And that source simply doesn't say what you claim it says.

It refers to the OFA, which is a part of the DNC, not in any way a government agency. This is still just normal political organizations taking a stance on a political issue, which is every bit their right in this country. You have not demonstrated that "the White House" is involved.


It is part of Obama's campaign group that got him elected and is working to get him re-elected.

So? Are you surprised that a liberal group is politically active on more than one single issue?

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They get their marching orders from the White House.

That's actually not true. Obama turned over control of OWA to the DNC after being inaugurated, so he no longer directs it. And even if it were true (which it is not) Obama is entirely allowed to engage in political activism. He is a politician, after all.


Honestly, I seriously doubt you'd be saying that if it was George W. Bush calling for protests against Democrat Governors because he didn't like their fiscal policies.



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19 Feb 2011, 2:59 pm

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Honestly, I seriously doubt you'd be saying that if it was George W. Bush calling for protests against Democrat Governors because he didn't like their fiscal policies.

It would depend on exactly what he was doing. You can disagree with the policies that are being promoted, but nothing illegal is going on here. And you still have not provided any evidence that Obama is behind any of this. Do facts just not matter to you at all?


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19 Feb 2011, 3:48 pm

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Honestly, I seriously doubt you'd be saying that if it was George W. Bush calling for protests against Democrat Governors because he didn't like their fiscal policies.


That'd require Dubya to actually care about fiscal policy first.


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19 Feb 2011, 4:33 pm

It's okay for republican politicians to support "special interests" when it comes to big oil, but it's not okay for democrats to support teachers unions? :roll: Also, teachers do not make high salaries. The figures the right-wing hacks are putting up are straight up lies. Nobody goes into teaching to make money.



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19 Feb 2011, 7:10 pm

marshall wrote:
It's okay for republican politicians to support "special interests" when it comes to big oil, but it's not okay for democrats to support teachers unions? :roll: Also, teachers do not make high salaries. The figures the right-wing hacks are putting up are straight up lies. Nobody goes into teaching to make money.


Teachers make quite a bit. The average salary is about $56,000 and factoring in benefits make over a $100k in compensation. Let us not forget they only work like 8 months out of the year too. It's pretty sweet gig considering the quality of the job they do.



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19 Feb 2011, 7:16 pm

Jacoby wrote:
marshall wrote:
It's okay for republican politicians to support "special interests" when it comes to big oil, but it's not okay for democrats to support teachers unions? :roll: Also, teachers do not make high salaries. The figures the right-wing hacks are putting up are straight up lies. Nobody goes into teaching to make money.


Teachers make quite a bit. The average salary is about $56,000 and factoring in benefits make over a $100k in compensation. Let us not forget they only work like 8 months out of the year too. It's pretty sweet gig considering the quality of the job they do.


You left out the fake doctor's notes.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjFbMDp5Pg8&feature=player_embedded#at=47[/youtube]

All these teachers should be fired, they are being horrible role models for students.



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19 Feb 2011, 7:41 pm

Jacoby wrote:
marshall wrote:
It's okay for republican politicians to support "special interests" when it comes to big oil, but it's not okay for democrats to support teachers unions? :roll: Also, teachers do not make high salaries. The figures the right-wing hacks are putting up are straight up lies. Nobody goes into teaching to make money.


Teachers make quite a bit. The average salary is about $56,000 and factoring in benefits make over a $100k in compensation. Let us not forget they only work like 8 months out of the year too. It's pretty sweet gig considering the quality of the job they do.

That's very different from my state, and probably from the rest of the Union. In Ohio, teachers will only ever get to about $60k/year at the end of a 30+ year career in the same district, and the benefits package isn't great. And they are required by law to have a master's degree, so if you compare the typical salary for a public school teacher (probably in the area of $30-40k/year) against other jobs which require a similar amount of education, you see that teachers are very underpaid.


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19 Feb 2011, 7:43 pm

Orwell wrote:
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It's okay for republican politicians to support "special interests" when it comes to big oil, but it's not okay for democrats to support teachers unions? :roll: Also, teachers do not make high salaries. The figures the right-wing hacks are putting up are straight up lies. Nobody goes into teaching to make money.


Teachers make quite a bit. The average salary is about $56,000 and factoring in benefits make over a $100k in compensation. Let us not forget they only work like 8 months out of the year too. It's pretty sweet gig considering the quality of the job they do.

That's very different from my state, and probably from the rest of the Union. In Ohio, teachers will only ever get to about $60k/year at the end of a 30+ year career in the same district, and the benefits package isn't great. And they are required by law to have a master's degree, so if you compare the typical salary for a public school teacher (probably in the area of $30-40k/year) against other jobs which require a similar amount of education, you see that teachers are very underpaid.

Jacoby is referring to the teachers in Wisconsin the salary amount and benefits he stated is the average take home for a teacher in Wisconsin.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/user/wisgop#p/u/3/71gsnLfsbbM[/youtube]



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19 Feb 2011, 7:58 pm

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st of the Union. In Ohio, teachers will only ever get to about $60k/year at the end of a 30+ year career in the same district, and the benefits package isn't great. And they are required by law to have a master's degree, so if you compare the typical salary for a public school teacher (probably in the area of $30-40k/year) against other jobs which require a similar amount of education, you see that teachers are very underpaid.


That is for 9.5 or 10 months work per year.

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19 Feb 2011, 7:58 pm

If you paid teachers more, actually skilled people would take the job and they would begin doing a good job.

For example, they would not terribly fail in the teaching of science. Like it happens with evolution.


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19 Feb 2011, 7:59 pm

Orwell wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
marshall wrote:
It's okay for republican politicians to support "special interests" when it comes to big oil, but it's not okay for democrats to support teachers unions? :roll: Also, teachers do not make high salaries. The figures the right-wing hacks are putting up are straight up lies. Nobody goes into teaching to make money.


Teachers make quite a bit. The average salary is about $56,000 and factoring in benefits make over a $100k in compensation. Let us not forget they only work like 8 months out of the year too. It's pretty sweet gig considering the quality of the job they do.

That's very different from my state, and probably from the rest of the Union. In Ohio, teachers will only ever get to about $60k/year at the end of a 30+ year career in the same district, and the benefits package isn't great. And they are required by law to have a master's degree, so if you compare the typical salary for a public school teacher (probably in the area of $30-40k/year) against other jobs which require a similar amount of education, you see that teachers are very underpaid.
Other jobs such as?

You blow my mind with what you consider overpaid and underpaid. You consider innovative jobs to deserve the highest pay, but being a teacher is much more routine oriented than being a doctor soooo I'm seeing an incongruity here. They only work 5 days a week and teach for 6 hours. Plus they get a s**t ton of breaks so it seems like a pretty comfortable job to me. And how competitive is the field of being a public school teacher anyways?



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19 Feb 2011, 8:00 pm

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All these teachers should be fired, they are being horrible role models for students.

Yeah, indeed. God forbid those kids grew, got old and began to protest the Health care reform or other laws they may not like.


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19 Feb 2011, 8:00 pm

Education is a social benefit therefore teachers need to be paid well to ensure enough high quality people are recruited and retained in the profession . This America! It's like a whole new world all something! :lol:



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19 Feb 2011, 8:03 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
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All these teachers should be fired, they are being horrible role models for students.

Yeah, indeed. Imagine those kids growing up, getting old and becoming Health care reform protesters or protest any law they don't like.


f****n' parasites! Teaching our kids to read! Why don't they do something useful with their lives! Maybe work for a teargas company supplying middle eastern dictators. I hear thats a booming market at the moment.



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19 Feb 2011, 10:08 pm

@ Vexcalibur and jamieboy

If you are going to quote someone do it in context.

Inuyasha wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
marshall wrote:
It's okay for republican politicians to support "special interests" when it comes to big oil, but it's not okay for democrats to support teachers unions? :roll: Also, teachers do not make high salaries. The figures the right-wing hacks are putting up are straight up lies. Nobody goes into teaching to make money.


Teachers make quite a bit. The average salary is about $56,000 and factoring in benefits make over a $100k in compensation. Let us not forget they only work like 8 months out of the year too. It's pretty sweet gig considering the quality of the job they do.


You left out the fake doctor's notes.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjFbMDp5Pg8&feature=player_embedded#at=47[/youtube]

All these teachers should be fired, they are being horrible role models for students.