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17 May 2011, 10:44 am

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17 May 2011, 11:51 am

I think people participating should label their pictures "Muhammed, the Muslims' Prophet".
Because there are a lot of Muhammeds out there.
If you don't label it, some guy down the street might think you're interested in him.



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17 May 2011, 12:59 pm

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"Wars not make one great." :lol:


Actually if you read the entire quote you would realize that war had basically nothing to do with Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) greatness. The main two wars which took place occurred only because the Pagan Arabs wanted Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his followers killed. master pedant said that the Prophet's (pbuh) empire dwindled after he died, and the i pointed out to him that that was incorrect. And it was he that placed Genghis khan ahead of the Prophet(pbuh). the only reason for that being that Genghis khan occupied more land - so it is in fact he, that associates war with greatness, not me.



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17 May 2011, 3:42 pm

i_wanna_blue wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
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"Wars not make one great." :lol:


Actually if you read the entire quote you would realize that war had basically nothing to do with Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) greatness. The main two wars which took place occurred only because the Pagan Arabs wanted Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his followers killed. master pedant said that the Prophet's (pbuh) empire dwindled after he died, and the i pointed out to him that that was incorrect. And it was he that placed Genghis khan ahead of the Prophet(pbuh). the only reason for that being that Genghis khan occupied more land - so it is in fact he, that associates war with greatness, not me.


I'll respond to your other (prickly thin-skinned) responses when I gather together some sources to link to. Needless to say, YOUR original quote (from that Second Republic statesman) partially associates Muhammad's greatness with his conquests. And the main reason why I see you undermining the significance of Genghis Khan is

  • Historical ignorance (which is really apparent given that you're a Muslim apologist rather than anything close to an impartial, historically informed observer)
  • Xenophobia against the Mongols
  • Delusion about how much of a warlord Muhammad was himself


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17 May 2011, 3:52 pm

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I'll respond to your other (prickly thin-skinned) responses


What's that suppose to mean? I speak to you in a cordial manner showing you no disrespect and now you satirically answer my questions?

Look if you're so convinced the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Muslims are bad, and you cannot see any good in him and us then so be it. I just wanted to show you that there are other people who view him differently, but if you feel nothing can change your views on him, Muslims and Islam then so be it. It matters not to me. If you wanna post pics of him, I can't stop you. All I'm asking or hoping for is that people respect the wishes of us Muslims. if you don't wanna, then there's nothing I can do, because I tried to show you a little bit of what he means to us, and it obviously just made most of you's more convinced of how wrong I am, and how right you's are.

I know most of you cannot and will not see the world through our eyes. That's ok, I'm not asking anyone to become a Muslim priest. i'm just asking you out of good will "please don't do it, because to us (and yes not to you) but to us, it is offensive." If you don't wanna do it, then don't. I'm not gonna sit here posting until you change your mind.

please don't personally attack me and my religion because i had the guts to in a very nice way, show you what we think. if you really don't like us so much, then fine, :roll:



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17 May 2011, 8:17 pm

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I'll respond to your other (prickly thin-skinned) responses


What's that suppose to mean? I speak to you in a cordial manner showing you no disrespect and now you satirically answer my questions?

Look if you're so convinced the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Muslims are bad, and you cannot see any good in him and us then so be it. I just wanted to show you that there are other people who view him differently, but if you feel nothing can change your views on him, Muslims and Islam then so be it. It matters not to me. If you wanna post pics of him, I can't stop you. All I'm asking or hoping for is that people respect the wishes of us Muslims. if you don't wanna, then there's nothing I can do, because I tried to show you a little bit of what he means to us, and it obviously just made most of you's more convinced of how wrong I am, and how right you's are.

I know most of you cannot and will not see the world through our eyes. That's ok, I'm not asking anyone to become a Muslim priest. i'm just asking you out of good will "please don't do it, because to us (and yes not to you) but to us, it is offensive." If you don't wanna do it, then don't. I'm not gonna sit here posting until you change your mind.

please don't personally attack me and my religion because i had the guts to in a very nice way, show you what we think. if you really don't like us so much, then fine, :roll:


No, you didn't approach us infidels in anything resembling a nice way. When I criticized your claims, you immediately spouted some psychoanalysis about how I'm unable to "see" what a great "man Muhammad is" and how truthful his religion is. And, as a matter of fact, I've praised Muslim Spain in the past and attacked anti-Muslim immigrant fear-mongerers like Iamnotaparakeet in the past. That, of course, doesn't change how utterly absurd I find the religion.

And your claim that, by showing us secular folk with quotes how great Muhammad was would convince us to stop drawing him makes no sense. As a matter of fact, most people would probably draw somebody more after learning of their greatness.


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17 May 2011, 8:56 pm

i_wanna_blue wrote:
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i_wanna_blue wrote:
Lamartine said about Muhammad;

"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"


Well, by said standards of how much cultural impact they had and how large a territory they gained, one can suppose Genghis Khan. While his Empire didn't last and he never founded a world religion, he effectively created the Mongol Nation by centralizing various warring tribes, created a central government in the Mongol region with scribes (his society was traditionally illiterate), and conquered the largest continuous land territory ever. Muhammad, by contrast, was born into an area where there already was trade, commerce, central governments, literacy, and philosophy for thousands of years, where various people had conquered the region for periods of time in the distant past. He was just one man in a long line of conquerors to gain control of the region and, after he died, his Empire fragmented.


You have no idea how flawed that statement is...

Actually after he died the Muslim empire reached further than it ever did, under the rule of Umar. It sounds to me like you just can't accept something good in someone you obviously have no respect for. I mean if you're gonna put a warlord like Genghis Khan ahead of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).


Underlined bolded added by Master_Pedant for emphasis.

That sure sounds cordial... :roll:

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I quote from The 100, a Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History
by Michael H. Hart


Mr Hart ranked Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) no. 1. and he's not a Muslim.

I think if you read it you will see that your post is based mainly on what you would like to believe rather than what's true about him.

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My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels. Of humble origins, Muhammad founded and promulgated one of the world's great religions, and became an immensely effective political leader. Today, thirteen centuries after his death, his influence is still powerful and pervasive. The majority of the persons in this book had the advantage of being born and raised in centers of civilization, highly cultured or politically pivotal nations. Muhammad, however, was born in the year 570, in the city of Mecca, in southern Arabia, at that time a backward area of the world, far from the centers of trade, art, and learning. Orphaned at age six, he was reared in modest surroundings. Islamic tradition tells us that he was illiterate. His economic position improved when, at age twenty-five, he married a wealthy widow. Nevertheless, as he approached forty, there was little outward indication that he was a remarkable person. Most Arabs at that time were pagans, who believed in many gods. There were, however, in Mecca, a small number of Jews and Christians; it was from them no doubt that Muhammad first learned of a single, omnipotent God who ruled the entire universe. When he was forty years old, Muhammad became convinced that this one true God (Allah) was speaking to him, and had chosen him to spread the true faith. For three years, Muhammad preached only to close friends and associates. Then, about 613, he began preaching in public. As he slowly gained converts, the Meccan authorities came to consider him a dangerous nuisance. In 622, fearing for his safety, Muhammad fled to Medina (a city some 200 miles north of Mecca), where he had been offered a position of considerable political power. This flight, called the Hegira, was the turning point of the Prophet's life. In Mecca, he had had few followers. In Medina, he had many more, and he soon acquired an influence that made him a virtual dictator. During the next few years, while Muhammad's following grew rapidly, a series of battles were fought between Medina and Mecca. This was ended in 630 with Muhammad's triumphant return to Mecca as conqueror. The remaining two and one-half years of his life witnessed the rapid conversion of the Arab tribes to the new religion.

When Muhammad died, in 632, he was the effective ruler of all of southern Arabia. The Bedouin tribesmen of Arabia had a reputation as fierce warriors. But their number was small; and plagued by disunity and internecine warfare, they had been no match for the larger armies of the kingdoms in the settled agricultural areas to the north. However, unified by Muhammad for the first time in history, and inspired by their fervent belief in the one true God, these small Arab armies now embarked upon one of the most astonishing series of conquests in human history. To the northeast of Arabia lay the large Neo-Persian Empire of the Sassanids; to the northwest lay the Byzantine, or Eastern Roman Empire, centered in Constantinople. Numerically, the Arabs were no match for their opponents. On the field of battle, though, the inspired Arabs rapidly conquered all of Mesopotamia, Syria, and Palestine. By 642, Egypt had been wrested from the Byzantine Empire, while the Persian armies had been crushed at the key battles of Qadisiya in 637, and Nehavend in 642. But even these enormous conquests, which were made under the leadership of Muhammad's close friends and immediate successors, Ali, Abu Bakr and 'Umar ibn al-Khattab, did not mark the end of the Arab advance. By 711, the Arab armies had swept completely across North Africa to the Atlantic Ocean There they turned north and, crossing the Strait of Gibraltar, overwhelmed the Visigothic kingdom in Spain.

For a while, it must have seemed that the Moslems would overwhelm all of Christian Europe. However, in 732, at the famous Battle of Tours, a Moslem army, which had advanced into the center of France, was at last defeated by the Franks. Nevertheless, in a scant century of fighting, these Bedouin tribesmen, inspired by the word of the Prophet, had carved out an empire stretching from the borders of India to the Atlantic Ocean-the largest empire that the world had yet seen. And everywhere that the armies conquered, large-scale conversion to the new faith eventually followed. Now, not all of these conquests proved permanent. The Persians, though they have remained faithful to the religion of the Prophet, have since regained their independence from the Arabs. And in Spain, more than seven centuries of warfare, finally resulted in the Christians reconquering the entire peninsula. However, Mesopotamia and Egypt, the two cradles of ancient civilization, have remained Moslem, as has the entire coast of North Africa. The new religion, of course, continued to spread, in the intervening centuries, far beyond the borders of the original Moslem conquests. Currently it has tens of millions of adherents in Africa and Central Asia and even more in Pakistan and northern India, and in Indonesia. In Indonesia, the new faith has been a unifying factor. In the Indian subcontinent, however, the conflict between Moslems and Hindus is still a major obstacle to unity.

How, then, is one to assess the overall impact of Muhammad on human history? Like all religions, Islam exerts an enormous influence upon the lives of its followers. It is for this reason that the founders of the world's great religions all figure prominently in this book. Since there are roughly twice as many Christians as Moslems in the world, it may initially seem strange that Muhammad has been ranked higher than Jesus. There are two principal reasons for that decision. First, Muhammad played a far more important role in the development of Islam than Jesus did in the development of Christianity. Although Jesus was responsible for the main ethical and moral precepts of Christianity (insofar as these differed from Judaism), St. Paul was the main developer of Christian theology, its principal proselytizer, and the author of a large portion of the New Testament. Muhammad, however, was responsible for both the theology of Islam and its main ethical and moral principles. In addition, he played the key role in proselytizing the new faith, and in establishing the religious practices of Islam. Moreover, he is the author of the Moslem holy scriptures, the Koran, a collection of certain of Muhammad's insights that he believed had been directly revealed to him by Allah. Most of these utterances were copied more or less faithfully during Muhammad's lifetime and were collected together in authoritative form not long after his death. The Koran therefore, closely represents Muhammad's ideas and teachings and to a considerable extent his exact words. No such detailed compilation of the teachings of Christ has survived. Since the Koran is at least as important to Moslems as the Bible is to Christians, the influence of Muhammad through the medium of the Koran has been enormous. It is probable that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity.

On the purely religious level, then, it seems likely that Muhammad has been as influential in human history as Jesus. Furthermore, Muhammad (unlike Jesus) was a secular as well as a religious leader. In fact, as the driving force behind the Arab conquests, he may well rank as the most influential political leader of all time. Of many important historical events, one might say that they were inevitable and would have occurred even without the particular political leader who guided them. For example, the South American colonies would probably have won their independence from Spain even if Simon Bolivar had never lived. But this cannot be said of the Arab conquests. Nothing similar had occurred before Muhammad, and there is no reason to believe that the conquests would have been achieved without him. The only comparable conquests in human history are those of the Mongols in the thirteenth century, which were primarily due to the influence of Genghis Khan. These conquests, however, though more extensive than those of the Arabs, did not prove permanent, and today the only areas occupied by the Mongols are those that they held prior to the time of Genghis Khan. It is far different with the conquests of the Arabs. From Iraq to Morocco, there extends a whole chain of Moslem nations united not merely by their faith in Islam, but also by their Arabic language, history, and culture.

The centrality of the Koran in the Moslem religion and the fact that it is written in Arabic have probably prevented the Arab language from breaking up into mutually unintelligible dialects, which might otherwise have occurred in the intervening thirteen centuries. Differences and divisions between these Arab states exist, of course, and they are considerable, but the partial disunity should not blind us to the important elements of unity that have continued to exist. For instance, neither Iran nor Indonesia, both oil-producing states and both Islamic in religion joined in the oil embargo of the winter of 1973-74. It is no coincidence that all of the Arab states, and only the Arab states, participated in the embargo. We see, then, that the Arab conquests of the seventh century have continued to play an important role in human history, down to the present day. It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history.


Okay, I'll revise a few statements as I gave a bad impression and was wrong on a few points. The Caliphate as an expanding, coherent entity lasted until the mid 900s (Common Era) before fragmenting, longer than the Mongol Empire. Nevertheless, Muhammad's conquests weren't nice or sweet and the warring tribes he united represent a sort of "local crusade" rather than something grand and virtuous - he was the Pope Urban II of his time and place. A lot of the territory Muhammad's religious army conquered, however, had bene conquered by Alexander the Great earlier, so it's not as unprecedented as Michael H. Hart is implying.

Also, much of the area Muhammad conquered already had relatively sophisticated (if divided) political organization and a literate class. Genghis Khan had neither for miles (he organized a lot of the steppe area without any literate class and had to travel VERY far until reaching areas of China that had scribes). He gave the Mongol Nation a written history and Mongolians, to this day, consider him a founding father of their country. Russians and Eastern European feared the Mongol Empire for quite some time.

Furthermore, you've ignored a flip side of Muhammad's blending of religious and secular authority - that has ensured that, for centuries, oppressive governments could rule the Islamic world under the guise of "divine right" or ancestral links to the Caliphate rulers. And advancing beyond the social mores of the 7th century have, likewise, been hampered by the lack of any seperation between secular and religious authority.


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18 May 2011, 3:46 am

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No, you didn't approach us infidels in anything resembling a nice way. When I criticized your claims, you immediately spouted some psychoanalysis about how I'm unable to "see" what a great "man Muhammad is" and how truthful his religion is. And, as a matter of fact, I've praised Muslim Spain in the past and attacked anti-Muslim immigrant fear-mongerers like Iamnotaparakeet in the past. That, of course, doesn't change how utterly absurd I find the religion.


But it's true, you are unable to see what a great man he is. Because i pointed that out, you feel i insulted you? I mean when I post something good about him, you immediately dismiss it. I put a quote of someone who did see good in him, you say no it's wrong. I tell you that you are overlooking things, because you are, then you say I'm not cordial. I post a response to your post, then you try find fault in it, by giving what is obviously a biased opinion. You say I'm biased to the Prophet (pbuh) and yet you overlook that you're biased against him. I never called you an infidel btw, and my tone of speech wasn't mocking. If you felt that way, then I'm sorry, next time I'll choose my words better.


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And your claim that, by showing us secular folk with quotes how great Muhammad was would convince us to stop drawing him makes no sense. As a matter of fact, most people would probably draw somebody more after learning of their greatness.


Yes you're right it was very stupid. Your mind is made up already. I wanted to show you what he meant to us, something you obviously don't care about. If a Jew asked you not to tread on any sensitive issues about the Holocaust, would you?

As a Muslim I'm making a plea. Please don't draw our Prophet (pbuh). You obviously see no good in him, and will not accept anything as a positive in our religion, but we do. So what are you gonna do? Are you gonna draw a picture purposefully because you know it's gonna upset us? Or not draw it?



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18 May 2011, 4:03 am

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I'll respond to your other (prickly thin-skinned) responses


What's that suppose to mean? I speak to you in a cordial manner showing you no disrespect and now you satirically answer my questions?

Look if you're so convinced the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Muslims are bad, and you cannot see any good in him and us then so be it. I just wanted to show you that there are other people who view him differently, but if you feel nothing can change your views on him, Muslims and Islam then so be it. It matters not to me. If you wanna post pics of him, I can't stop you. All I'm asking or hoping for is that people respect the wishes of us Muslims. if you don't wanna, then there's nothing I can do, because I tried to show you a little bit of what he means to us, and it obviously just made most of you's more convinced of how wrong I am, and how right you's are.

I know most of you cannot and will not see the world through our eyes. That's ok, I'm not asking anyone to become a Muslim priest. i'm just asking you out of good will "please don't do it, because to us (and yes not to you) but to us, it is offensive." If you don't wanna do it, then don't. I'm not gonna sit here posting until you change your mind.

please don't personally attack me and my religion because i had the guts to in a very nice way, show you what we think. if you really don't like us so much, then fine, :roll:



As I said before, and as you clearly stated above, you dislike the religion and our Prophet (pbuh). So it's clear that the only reason you want to draw the Prophet is to ignite tension in a people you clearly dislike and have no respect for. I'm pointing out a fact here, and as you can see, stepping on someones sensitivity's as you claim I did to you, is not the greatest feeling in the world. now is it? How I feel about the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and how I feel about my religion clearly doesn't make you dislike it any less.

So go on, with your way. I obviously couldn't change yours and most peoples opinion, even that little bit, just for you to say "ok, let's respect one wish of theirs."



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18 May 2011, 6:25 am

And by the way it seems you have a great liking for Genghis Khan. That's ok, you obviously see good in him, but myself compared to the Prophet (pbuh), he comes in a distant second. But that doesn't mean now I'm gonna attack your feelings for him, finding fault with everything in him , and what he stood for???? I'm not gonna find links that prove what a horrible person he was just because I see that you highly regard him??? Let's say you open up some memorial for him. Am I gonna go there and vandalize it, on the basis that you see so much good in him and I myself (compared to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ) don't???? Say there's a specific item which you regard reflects his worth best. Perhaps a sword or bow. Am I going to mock this specifically because you regard it so highly????

Please don't tell me that it's your right to do draw the Prophet (pbuh) that's why you do it.

You do it because of your feelings of contempt towards Islam and it's people. if drawing the Prophet (pbuh) was regarded as fine, how much will you wager that no one would have drawn him, and would have found some other element to insight Muslims.

And just one more hypothetical situation before i go. Let's assume that I'm someone who hates smoking, thinks it's harmful and is convinced that it gives a person cancer. Now let's say someone in your life, happens to die of cancer most probably associated with prolonged smoking. Perhaps it's someone you care for deeply like a parent.

now as an anti smoking activist, am I gonna go to your parents funeral, dismiss everything you say about him/her during the eulogy, and picket outside and hand out flyers "M_P mom/dad is a moron because he dies from smoking too much"?

No I won't do that, even if it's my RIGHT to do it. How would you feel if you were on the receiving end of that type of insult?

It's always easy to insult, but when you're on the receiving end, then you're justified to retaliate, right?????

Good day, and I'm I'm sorry this thread brought out these feelings in me, but if you were in my situation it would have done the same to you.

Peace.



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18 May 2011, 8:51 am

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It's always easy to insult, but when you're on the receiving end, then you're justified to retaliate, right?????



Retaliate in kind. If a kafir draws a nasty picture of Mohammed (Pus and Blisters Upon Him) then a devout Muslim may draw a nasty picture of (whoever). Kind for kind. The response must be proportionate to the offense. No fair strapping on a bomb now!

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18 May 2011, 12:30 pm

Israel and America commits terrorism too. They don't even need to be incited for it to happen...
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Kind for kind??? Your country is hardly one that follows that principle. If you were so upset about 9/11 why didn't you fly two airplanes into the Taliban headquarters and Osama bin Ladens cave. Why did you have to start a war, kill hundreds of thousands of civilians in the process, and detain and torture innocent people in Guantanemo? Yes, very like for like there.

And what about Iraq. What did Iraq do to incite America? Err...Nothing!! ! We all know the WMD story was a lie, and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians lives have been lost and destroyed. Where's the like for like there. Please tell me I really wanna know...

And what about Israel. Hamas shoots 4 of 5 rockets into Israel and the IDF completely obliterates Gaza into rubble killing over a 1000 civilians mostly women and children. Oh yes very, like for like, wouldn't you say????????????????????????????????

And let's not forget Japan. They supposedly did the Pearl Harbour attack. So your like for like strategy is to drop two atomic bombs on them. Yes, very like for like.

And Vietnam. Wow, the entire US military against a country not even 10% the size of the US, and nowhere the wealth and military power. Wow, talk about fighting with others your own size.

Sorry for the sarcasm people, but in this case I feel it's justified



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18 May 2011, 12:37 pm

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There's an increasingly-growing disturbing trend in European nations to call religions races,
and also to shame people out of "anti-religious" rhetoric (read: ethical and scientific criticisms of religious claims).


http://europenews.dk/en/node/13092


I don't agree with calling religions races, but I can understand why some would do that. I know many Jewish people are not very religious but still cling to Judaism for cultural reasons. I was raised Catholic and see the same thing among Catholics.



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18 May 2011, 12:59 pm

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You do it because of your feelings of contempt towards Islam and it's people. if drawing the Prophet (pbuh) was regarded as fine, how much will you wager that no one would have drawn him, and would have found some other element to insight Muslims.


I'm not gonna lie, there's a lot of contempt going into this. Over here, burning a flag will get people riled up and how many times do we see an angry mob burning a flag in the Middle East? I can't help but think the Muslim faith can dish it out but not take it, and I'm not the only one who feels this way. Now if more Muslims were like you and tried to dissuade people in a civilized manner, I would feel bad about this drawing business and stop supporting it, but a more typical response from others a death threat.



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MDD123 wrote:
i_wanna_blue wrote:
You do it because of your feelings of contempt towards Islam and it's people. if drawing the Prophet (pbuh) was regarded as fine, how much will you wager that no one would have drawn him, and would have found some other element to insight Muslims.


I'm not gonna lie, there's a lot of contempt going into this. Over here, burning a flag will get people riled up and how many times do we see an angry mob burning a flag in the Middle East? I can't help but think the Muslim faith can dish it out but not take it, and I'm not the only one who feels this way. Now if more Muslims were like you and tried to dissuade people in a civilized manner, I would feel bad about this drawing business and stop supporting it, but a more typical response from others a death threat.



Well at least you're man enough to say that, and I admire that. But as you can see it's hostility in both directions. Look I post one good quote about what a non muslim has to say about the Prophet, (pbuh) and I get slated for it. So it's hostility both ways. Don't you think I hate being associated with bombs and terrorism? That's what so many people on here think. Coz I'm a Muslim I must be having a bomb strapped on me. Look I'm not saying death threats are right, it's not, and I genuinely wish us Muslims myself first, can learn from our mistakes and rectify them. But what people often do is think that the hostility is only from the Muslim side, and it's not true. Both sides show it, and I'm not saying we are free from being blamed for hostility - not at all. The truth is, that since 9/11 those hostilities have been there on both sides. It just takes something like this to bring those latent feelings out.

I wish it would stop. I wish this draw Muhammad day would not exist, and whatever it is our Muslims do that is not right, would stop too. As long as both sides are having goes at one another, I'm afraid this is just the tip of the ice berg.

And to Master_Pedant, yes I know I'm gonna get a backlash from you. Save the conflict I'm not gonna even read it, all it does is takes me and you further apart, which is something I don't want. And to be fair if you want me to delete my responses to you, pm and I'll do it. I've had enough of this bickering as it gets me and everyone else nowhere. If I offended you forgive me, and I hold in no hostilities. I wish you would accept this and will try not to draw the Prophet (pbuh) in the hope that these types of hostilities can finally be put to bed.

I've had my say on this subject and good day to you all.



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18 May 2011, 1:23 pm

I think we should all keep in mind Matthew 5:39, which says, if i remember right:

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But i say unto you, that ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him and breaketh his nose also.


Or something like that, anyway.