04 Jun 2011, 12:22 pm
04 Jun 2011, 12:23 pm
Raptor wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Support as in what?
To me troop support means your supporting the them as fellow Americans (or allies) who are deployed in the theater of operations, regardless off your views on the legitimacy of the war.
During the Bush administration we had (still have) an individual at work who rabidly despised George Bush for the war and claimed that the deaths of every American serviceman was on his hands.
All this "concern" for them but twice when we we took up collections to provide a platoon of Marines or US Army soldiers with Christmas dinner via Treats for Troops we could not squeeze a goddamn dime out of him although some of us pitched in $150 or $200 or more!
One year we all put together care packages for the infantry squad of a young Marine who's mother works in one of our departments. Again, nothing from our concerned citizen.
He always had money to take trips to the French Riviera and London to see his American hating (and thats what they were) friends and relatives but nothing for those guys over in Iraq or Afghanistan living out of their back packs in a hostile environment.
Of course, since his buddy Barack has been in office no one has heard a word of concern for the troops from him yet they are still over there.
It makes me want to kick him in right in the nuts but I doubt he has anything down there worth kicking.
Just my usual humble thoughts..........
To me troop support means your supporting the them as fellow Americans (or allies) who are deployed in the theater of operations, regardless off your views on the legitimacy of the war.
During the Bush administration we had (still have) an individual at work who rabidly despised George Bush for the war and claimed that the deaths of every American serviceman was on his hands.
All this "concern" for them but twice when we we took up collections to provide a platoon of Marines or US Army soldiers with Christmas dinner via Treats for Troops we could not squeeze a goddamn dime out of him although some of us pitched in $150 or $200 or more!
One year we all put together care packages for the infantry squad of a young Marine who's mother works in one of our departments. Again, nothing from our concerned citizen.
He always had money to take trips to the French Riviera and London to see his American hating (and thats what they were) friends and relatives but nothing for those guys over in Iraq or Afghanistan living out of their back packs in a hostile environment.
Of course, since his buddy Barack has been in office no one has heard a word of concern for the troops from him yet they are still over there.
It makes me want to kick him in right in the nuts but I doubt he has anything down there worth kicking.
Just my usual humble thoughts..........
wah wah is the conservative crying?
the "troops" do nothing to protect our safety not one thing they are dupes and morons at best.
cowards and willful killers at worst
It not an honorable profession to be a mercenary for any state.
Vietnam vets were at least drafted.
Why should I give money to the family of some moron who abandoned them "cuz the gobernmit told him to"
Big government is bad and the worst part of it is in Uniform.
Sorry but I'm not a crier, never have been.
I guess I've struck a nerve and the individual I've described above is just like you in principal (or lack of principal).
I can't tell if your response is just a vulgar insult to everyone that has worn their country's uniform or just a sad testament to your cluelessness.
Are you saying that the U.S. military has no and has never had a legitimate use or is it just as it applies to recent times????
Well, lets just assume that you are an American (correct me if I'm wrong and I hope I am) and you are talking about the U.S. military and it doesn't matter whether it's today's military or that of the American Revolution.
The purpose of it is primarily to protect the United States and to a lesser degree it's interests abroad. If you do not believe that our nation is worthy of protection then I don't know why you live here.
If you have an issue with the current operations in Afghanistan and Iraq then that's a matter to take up with your elected representatives since they started it and are continuing it. The military is a tool of their policies, right or wrong, and cannot accept the blame for what objectives are assigned to them by those politicians.
I could talk about honor, sacrifice, bravery, and selflessness but I doubt you have a clue as to what they mean or a care in the world to ever know. I'd be better off talking to my dog about it.
I have other things I want to do today besides this.
[retracted patr-erotic suggestion]
bolded words used for tricking idiots into murder.
04 Jun 2011, 1:18 pm
04 Jun 2011, 1:30 pm
04 Jun 2011, 1:35 pm
simon_says wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
The is dangerous because of Boy Scouts with machine guns not despite them.
there is something dangerously wrong with getting more of them to join.
because what armies do does not help a damn thing.
italics on the strawman.
there is something dangerously wrong with getting more of them to join.
because what armies do does not help a damn thing.
italics on the strawman.
Noting reality is not a strawman. I have 10,000 years of recorded history on my side. You have a dreamscape. It sounds nice but it just has nothing to do with the real world as it exists.
who is trying to invade America? what is the threat they are saving us from?
do they have nuclear subs and fighter jets?
How many tanks does it take to stop 19 guys with box cutters?
how does Switzerland even exist?
10,000 years of military aggression and empire is a defense of military aggression and empire?
I say we keep the coast guard and perhaps the border patrol (thanks fellas, for your service)
and if Canada or Mexico invades we can set up a draft.
who is this enemy that we are arming our selves against? everyone?
dreamscape? I propose we just have twice as big an army as the next country.
04 Jun 2011, 1:57 pm
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04 Jun 2011, 2:53 pm
psychohist wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Vietnam vets were at least drafted.
To the extent that the troops have any moral culpability, draftees are as culpable as volunteers. They could have been conscientious objectors or dodged the draft by moving to Canada if they had true moral objections to the war.
More importantly, using draftees allows the government to ignore the will of the populace in an important way. Without draftees, the government cannot prosecute wars that are too far removed from the will of the population, for there will be insufficient volunteers. With draftees, that constraint is lost. Many of the problems with the prosecution of the war in Vietnam stemmed from use of draftees.
That's just one of the many important reasons why the military should be an all volunteer force.
you make a good argument about draft dodging it takes a lot of courage.
You also have a good defense of the volunteer military (damn you reasonable conservatives , good thing y'all are rare
)
how about a volunteer military that exists only in time of war? (or mostly maybe some standing officers)
04 Jun 2011, 2:59 pm
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04 Jun 2011, 3:42 pm
psychohist wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
how does Switzerland even exist?
Switzerland is one of the most militarized countries in the world.
Do not confuse having a military with performing invasions. The stronger one's military, the less likely one will have to use it.
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who is this enemy that we are arming our selves against?
The U.S. is a maritime nation and as such is dependent upon peaceful trade routes and trade partners throughout the world. The military has many missions besides war. When I was in the Navy, we were taught that the Navy had four major missions; three of them were peacetime missions, and only one was a wartime mission.
As for the size of the military, here are the top five by number of active duty troops:
China: 2,285,000
United States: 1,580,225
India: 1,325,000
North Korea: 1,106,000
Russia: 1,027,000
All of these are less than 1% of population except for North Korea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... _of_troops
Military spending is misleading; U.S. troops must be paid a lot more than those in nations with a lower standard of living. Also, about half of military spending is pork barrel spending with limited military usefulness.
If you total up the EU numbers, they are comparable to the U.S. numbers in terms of troops, and I would bet spending as well - certainly the spending would be within a factor of two - so your proposal is already fulfilled using comparably sized political entities.
at $2141 per person we are second per capita on military spending between Emirates and Israel.
the first European country to show up is #7 Norway at $1245 58% of ours and they have a higher standard of living than us.
(their union
)
the total EU military budget is 317.21 billion ours is 687.105 europe does not even make it to half way but close (great eye)
so lets cut 52.68 billion from the military budget to start.
04 Jun 2011, 4:08 pm
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