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18 Jun 2011, 1:02 am

I think when something like this happens, it is a personal reminder of how much control we have over our environment and other people. Fortunately we live in a society with laws, personal moral codes, and a degree of social security. Most people don't worry about this kind of thing on a day to day basis, and have no significant reason to. Now you do, until enough time passes until this particular chaos is forgotten.

I had a friend that had his house broken into and surpisingly a very expensive camera was left seemingly untouched. This was before the time of digital cameras. When the photos came back one of the pictures displayed my friends toothbrush stuck in a not so nice place of one of the thieves. This was much harder to accept than the material things that were stolen. Truly a reminder of sh** happens. They will probably remember that toothbrush and thief, long after the theft and camera are forgotten.

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19 Jun 2011, 10:50 am

The perps could be kleptomanic and that car happened to be in view. Maybe they couldn't help stealing stuff.

Of course Stealing will come back and suckerpunch you through karma.

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26 Jun 2011, 6:10 pm

you_are_what_you_is wrote:

Yes, sometimes.

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I concur, however obliterating the universe is never ok.

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27 Jun 2011, 1:53 am

RedHanrahan wrote:

you_are_what_you_is wrote:

Yes, sometimes.

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I concur, however obliterating the universe is never ok.

peace j

We are having a good deal of trouble and mental anguish in our best attempts to destroy this rather insignificant planet. How does one even conceive of a method to destroy the universe?

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27 Jun 2011, 7:49 am

Sand wrote:

RedHanrahan wrote:

you_are_what_you_is wrote:

Yes, sometimes.

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I concur, however obliterating the universe is never ok.

peace j

We are having a good deal of trouble and mental anguish in our best attempts to destroy this rather insignificant planet. How does one even conceive of a method to destroy the universe?

No one is trying to destroy the planet. If we succeed in doing so it will not be on purpose.

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27 Jun 2011, 8:10 am

TheRedKipper wrote:

Of course Stealing will come back and suckerpunch you through karma.

It would be nice to think this, but judging by the people I've met who do not see the wrong they are doing as such and also have no inclination to learn from their mistakes, my hopes are not high. There are definitely people out there who do not get punished for the wrong they do and simply do not care about the emotional harm they inflict on others.

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27 Jun 2011, 4:01 pm

Sand wrote:

RedHanrahan wrote:

you_are_what_you_is wrote:

Yes, sometimes.

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I concur, however obliterating the universe is never ok.

peace j

We are having a good deal of trouble and mental anguish in our best attempts to destroy this rather insignificant planet. How does one even conceive of a method to destroy the universe?

Sand, this was a barbed irony not a serious proposition, the parakeet may fantasise about such things but I know them to be improbable, peace j

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27 Jun 2011, 7:07 pm

RedHanrahan wrote:

you_are_what_you_is wrote:

Yes, sometimes.

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I concur, however obliterating the universe is never ok.

peace j

It is also impossible to do. Mass-energy is conserved.

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27 Jun 2011, 7:49 pm

MarketAndChurch wrote:

most of the 10 commandments are in large part against theft, so theft is an important ethical issue. Interestingly enough, the Jews were the first to note that not just space or objects can be made holy, but that time itself could be sanctified, and just as it could be made holy, it could also be stolen. Time stealers are not always of the worst variety so not much thought is ever given about them, especially against a material(car) thief.

Many employers use the phrase "time theft" to describe employees taking too long of a break, gossiping with other employees during work time. writing on internet message boards during the work day, etc.

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27 Jun 2011, 7:50 pm

ruveyn wrote:

RedHanrahan wrote:

you_are_what_you_is wrote:

Yes, sometimes.

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I concur, however obliterating the universe is never ok.

peace j

It is also impossible to do. Mass-energy is conserved.

ruveyn

Does this provide evidence that the energy from the Universe will always be in existence? Or are you speaking just about the possibility of the destruction of it now. I'm not sure you expressed your opinion on it before, but do you think this energy can come from nothing. Does our current understanding of the laws of physics allow for a beggining or an end to the Energy? Not a philosophical question, just a scientific one. You seem to be current, in the advancements in physics.

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28 Jun 2011, 2:31 pm

ruveyn wrote:

you_are_what_you_is wrote:

Yes, sometimes.

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It is never acceptable and it can not be excused. To take something that required the life and energy to acquire or make, the life and energy of another human is akin to murder.

Anyone caught and convicted of theft should be compelled to make good what he stole and if that is not possible then life imprisonment. For example Bernie Madoff.

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Really? Stealing is akin to murder?

That's quite extreme.

If you believe so, then should the punishment not be more akin to that for murder? I suppose what you suggested is in places where there is no death penalty. So, if there is a death penalty, do you think that the punishment for being caught stealing should be death? What if you stole a pack of gum? Is there some sort of scale for the severity of the punishment being proportional to the magnitude of the theft? Or is all stealing the same?

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28 Jun 2011, 2:53 pm

A couple of years ago I had two loads of clean laundry stolen from the back of my car (at the time, I was driving a 15 year old Honda Civic that had been broken into so many times that the locks no longer worked). Aside from the clothes on my back, it was basically all that I had to wear. What cost me several hundred dollars to replace probably all, or mostly, ended up in a dumpster somewhere. Some people really just don't give a s**t about how much they hurt other people.

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28 Jun 2011, 3:29 pm

LKL wrote:

Welcome to the human condition.

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28 Jun 2011, 7:14 pm

Some humans are parasitic, yes. Many species, in fact, have parasitic elements - those who steal nest sites or mating opportunities that one individual has worked to obtain, for example. Encouraging a culture of 'looking out for number 1,' or 'Viva Yo,' only encourages this.

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30 Jun 2011, 7:56 am

Oodain wrote:

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Not really, cos I can't do anything about my thermal energy dissipating, and besides, if it didn't I'd die of overheating. You could say that the universe is stealing your thermal energy, but there's no lawyer would take that case. :lol:

There's a big difference between shedding 'my' matter and energy naturally, and having someone take a chunk of it against my will.

I don't think anyone considers air conditioning as a form of stealing. Maybe we should try and convince people they are having their thermal energy stolen in workplaces and business premises. I can see humour in that.

didnt you borrow the energy from the universe to begin with?

*mutters something about conservation of energy...* :lol:

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04 Jul 2011, 10:03 am

I had two video tapes stolen from me when I was a kid. They are replaced now.

I admit to stealing stuff when I was little.

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