How can anyone with AS be a conservative?

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I was referring to one Michelle Bachmann, in point of fact.

It seems to me that he is admitting to being a Moderate, in the sense that he is applying socially liberal ideas in a conservative (and thus more effective and efficient) manner. "Think Liberal, Act Conservative" - there's nothing wrong with that.

No you haven't. Self-content people don't b***h about how hard thier life was.

Moderate doesn't mean anything. On social issues I am liberal, but if push came to shove I would typically be willing to sacrifice social issues for economics. On economic issues I am, for the most part, a pragmatist. This means opposing the proposals put forward by the Republican party in recent years- it does not necessarily mean backing Democratic proposals.

Lol, no. I'd say that they're compassionate people with big hearts but misdirected energies.


The concern is more about having jobs in the long run. I think the biggest quagmire we're in right now is making the 'rich' an inseparable block. There are the billionares, the legacy people, then there are the people who just barely - marginally - classify as rich who are the small-mid sized company heads who are providing the jobs. I'd much rather see companies like GE have their loopholes shut and letting small business have a better go at holding their own with the giants.



Is that an implication that we sit around on big pallets of stacked cash doing nothing all day? Maybe the legacy millionaires of the world, not the upper middle class and not the middle-middle class like myself.


So is the notion that we come home from work and supposit our thumbs? Would you figure that its only liberals volunteering at soup kitchens and hospitals or taking financial hits to work in non-profit or teach in poorer areas of the world? That's a strange theory, I think you'd be the first I've ever heard to have suggested that.


Farm subsidies? I think everyone agrees those need to be cut. If that's really a moral blackmail chip in your books I don't think its going to be there in its current state much longer.

Given that I am referring to a great extreme, on the same level as the "Aspie is master race" crowd, I think you're mistaken.

Hunh???? I'm referring to theory of mind, Fnord. Theory of mind is one of those things that Aspies are usually considered bad at, and it merely is just the ability to model other minds effectively. The failure to model minds effectively can lead to overstating the necessity of certain conclusions. In particular, I am actually in some sense, defending the viability of a person with AS being a conservative in pointing out that the failure to recognize the possibility is likely the result of a cognitive flaw. So...... yeah, I have no idea what you are referring to, as I don't see this term being used in the public discourse, with the major use being THEORY OF MIND issues.

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I don't think there will ever be a perfect situation for us, or situations where plenty of us don't catch criticism for the friction that our disabilities cause. The thing that I think can be agreed on as messed up is when employment overall is threatened more due to cultural issues rather than aptitude and when you have people who may likely be dying ten or fifteen years early from the stress of just trying to make ends meet and hope they can save up enough money by the next time they're fired to hunker down and have enough money for rent or mortgage until the cycle can renew itself.

In that sense its not a pie-in-the-sky issue at all. Right now though already there are more and more privately funded grants and endowments to help lift people with dissabilities off of social security and into meaningful work, likely the growth of agencies will be the next step.

First you call someone out for what you call insults. Then you start dishing out insults.

Then why would you say "we prefer that to bilking the man, getting fat off the system for five or ten years just to see our society collapse beneath us" when attempting to contrast conservatives and liberals?


This is a myth, and it's been debunked. Small business owners do not earn a quarter million dollars a year.


No, and I refuse to believe you are so illiterate as to misinterpret my post that badly. Everyone has the obligation to pay their fair share to support vital institutions in our community. Complaining about being asked to do your part, and trying to push for policy changes that would allow you to free-load, is unpatriotic.


Again, this is a pathetic straw man. I never said anything of the sort. Learn to read. The conservative mythos- which you were just promoting- of complete self-reliance is false. Conservatives accept government aid whenever it is offered.


Also Medicaid. Although accepting Medicaid is not a problem to me so much as the hypocrisy.

Is he the pot or the kettle? I forget which...

There is a difference of degree, of course.

150 years ago all of these religious right conservatives were members of the Confederate States of America.

Why is telling the truth dishing out insults?

Why don't we all drop the silly accusations of hypocrisy and admit that we hate each other. Fnord hold contempt for liberals and I likewise hold contempt for bitter old curmudgeons with personality disorders. American conservatism attracts diseased minds filled with caustic loathing.

I'm contrasting the OP's claims that its horridly wrong to be conservative and even further beyond the pail to be an aspie conservative. For liberals as well its not saying liberals are lazy, but I would acknowledge that I believe that the liberal crowd in politics consists more often than not of what would be considered first-stage thinkers (yes, its a coined term), that the experiments performed more often than not blow up (Great Society and the New Deal being two of the largest examples among many similar missteps), and while everyone is doing what they believe shows good intent its often going hand in hand with squandering resources on what we already know won't work rather than solving the problem in a more practical manner.



How tightly are we defining small? I'd call it anything less than 100 employees.


You really think that's what's happening? I would have thought it was about mismanagement of funds but what do I know.


No, I sincerely have no idea what you're talking about. Are you perhaps confusing all conservatism with Randianism? That might be a big part of what you're projecting on me and why this conversation's been as strange as it has.


And this is where you're erecting your own straw men. It really sounds like you're implying that the majority of conservatives are tax-protestors for the sake of just not wanting to pay their fare share.

On the personal level, people are disturbed with what Washington's doing with their money. Do you think the tea party protestors may have wanted to get into Washington to change spending habbits and efficiency more than just cut themselves a free check? It seems really popular for people to say 'Where were all these people when Bush (really Nancy and Harry) was spending all this money?', it takes a lot for people to get pissed enough to form grassroots movements, they'd rather be home living their lives and things have to get pretty bad in general before most people really feel like they need to get out and fight for their fundamental understandings of economics and national exceptionalism.

Also for corporate taxes, I know I'm pulling Wiki in, this is on the fly but I've heard this before and here's some evidence at least that its not a rumor - the US has the second or third highest corporate tax rates in a global economy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world
That might not be a wise place to stay if we really wish to encourage business to stay at home, let alone to base themselves here.

QFT.