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27 Sep 2011, 9:50 am

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You know what I also dislike? People labeling posters they dislike trolls, even though they aren't intentionally upsetting people. It can become a witch-hunt as well.


Or accusing all new members of being trolls just because they suffer from paranoia. Not cool.


Umm... it doesn't look like he's paranoid.

Please remember that suggesting someone is paranoid on the boards can be considered a personal attack and the mods may have to intervene if this doesnt stop now.


Do you have a list of all the things that are considered personal attacks under the new regime? How about if I suggest someone can't spell by correcting a word they used? I assume you mean that "paranoia" is a mean or "wrong" or "bad" thing to be so suggesting it is attacking someone. Do you have a list of all the "bad" words someplace so that the membership can tell in advance when they are coming up against the rules and need to be put back in line?

Saying someone has a psychological disorder is a personal attack(wether its true or not)unless the other member is open about having it(its no longer seen as a suggestion but a well established fact).

Right now the rule we are following is you can attack an idea but you cant attack a poster. You can say that a certain idea is wrong and try to show them why its wrong but you cant say that a certain person is an idiot for having ideas you dont agree with.
donnie_darko´s post is alright because it doesnt include any attack towards him and just shows their perception about how a certain member behaves yours isnt alright because it contains a suggestion of a mental issue which is considered to be a personal attack.

As a rule of thumb you can attack an idea but you cant attack the member that posted it.


I think you need to reread what I wrote. Did I use a member's name? I believe I did say that the idea was wrong. Scroll up.



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27 Sep 2011, 9:51 am

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So to say that "the idea of thinking that every new user or anyone who disagrees with you is a troll is a rather paranoid notion" is allowed then?


And how is that different from:

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Or accusing all new members of being trolls just because they suffer from paranoia. Not cool.



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27 Sep 2011, 9:54 am

MidlifeAspie wrote:
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So to say that "the idea of thinking that every new user or anyone who disagrees with you is a troll is a rather paranoid notion" is allowed then?


And how is that different from:

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Or accusing all new members of being trolls just because they suffer from paranoia. Not cool.


That's why I thought I'd ask that. They may look different, but both can convey the same meaning, just that one is obeying the rules apparently.


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27 Sep 2011, 10:05 am

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So to say that "the idea of thinking that every new user or anyone who disagrees with you is a troll is a rather paranoid notion" is allowed then?


And how is that different from:

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Or accusing all new members of being trolls just because they suffer from paranoia. Not cool.


That's why I thought I'd ask that. They may look different, but both can convey the same meaning, just that one is obeying the rules apparently.


The rules? You mean the ones I wrote? I'm glad there is someone available to interpret them for me. :lol:



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27 Sep 2011, 10:15 am

MidlifeAspie wrote:
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You know what I also dislike? People labeling posters they dislike trolls, even though they aren't intentionally upsetting people. It can become a witch-hunt as well.


Or accusing all new members of being trolls just because they suffer from paranoia. Not cool.


Umm... it doesn't look like he's paranoid.

Please remember that suggesting someone is paranoid on the boards can be considered a personal attack and the mods may have to intervene if this doesnt stop now.


Do you have a list of all the things that are considered personal attacks under the new regime? How about if I suggest someone can't spell by correcting a word they used? I assume you mean that "paranoia" is a mean or "wrong" or "bad" thing to be so suggesting it is attacking someone. Do you have a list of all the "bad" words someplace so that the membership can tell in advance when they are coming up against the rules and need to be put back in line?

Saying someone has a psychological disorder is a personal attack(wether its true or not)unless the other member is open about having it(its no longer seen as a suggestion but a well established fact).

Right now the rule we are following is you can attack an idea but you cant attack a poster. You can say that a certain idea is wrong and try to show them why its wrong but you cant say that a certain person is an idiot for having ideas you dont agree with.
donnie_darko´s post is alright because it doesnt include any attack towards him and just shows their perception about how a certain member behaves yours isnt alright because it contains a suggestion of a mental issue which is considered to be a personal attack.

As a rule of thumb you can attack an idea but you cant attack the member that posted it.


I think you need to reread what I wrote. Did I use a member's name? I believe I did say that the idea was wrong. Scroll up.

Please follow your own suggestion. marshall is clearly referring to a member since he says "it doesnt look like he is paranoid" which makes it clear that he is no longer talking about an abstract concept but a member he is familiar with and thats what my post was directed at, otherwise I wouldnt have quoted him.


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27 Sep 2011, 10:18 am

A simple rule of thumb for moderating an internet forum is that unless the violation is both obvious and egregious you are best remaining quiet. There will be plenty of actual opportunities to flex your internet muscles, you don't need to go looking for them.



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27 Sep 2011, 10:20 am

MidlifeAspie wrote:
A simple rule of thumb for moderating an internet forum is that unless the violation is both obvious and egregious you are best remaining quiet. There will be plenty of actual opportunities to flex your internet muscles, you don't need to go looking for them.

Excuse me for trying to work things nicely with another member before things get out of hand and I need to contact him with a serious warning.


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27 Sep 2011, 10:22 am

spongy wrote:
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A simple rule of thumb for moderating an internet forum is that unless the violation is both obvious and egregious you are best remaining quiet. There will be plenty of actual opportunities to flex your internet muscles, you don't need to go looking for them.

Excuse me for trying to work things nicely with another member before things get out of hand and I need to contact him with a serious warning.


I am referring to the warnings you are sending me



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27 Sep 2011, 10:26 am

MidlifeAspie wrote:
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A simple rule of thumb for moderating an internet forum is that unless the violation is both obvious and egregious you are best remaining quiet. There will be plenty of actual opportunities to flex your internet muscles, you don't need to go looking for them.

Excuse me for trying to work things nicely with another member before things get out of hand and I need to contact him with a serious warning.


I am referring to the warnings you are sending me

There wasnt a single warning in the messages I sent you and I made it clear on the first message that I was trying to work things nicely because Im one of those few remaining people that have a lot of respect for your work as a moderator.


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27 Sep 2011, 1:15 pm

How is the OP calling a group of people "cowardly bullies", not defined as a personal attack?



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27 Sep 2011, 1:52 pm

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How is the OP calling a group of people "cowardly bullies", not defined as a personal attack?

Nobody has contacted anyone with concerns about being attacked by:
"If you think about it, those who hide behind thousands of miles of wire and in a cloak of anonymity while scoffing and mocking others are about as cowardly as they get."

If you want to contact me/another mod telling them that you feel attacked by a post against internet bullies do so but I dont think that saying you feel identified with a troll is going to do you any favor.


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27 Sep 2011, 2:12 pm

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How is the OP calling a group of people "cowardly bullies", not defined as a personal attack?
It may be an attack, but is not exactly personal is it? He called trolls cowardly bullies. Are you a troll? If not then the attack wasn't directed at you.


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27 Sep 2011, 2:23 pm

What I am saying is that religious whackjobs who contact moderators ad nauseum complaining that every new member is someone from a secret conspiratorial organization who is out to get them probably suffer from paranoid delusions.

That should be sufficiently broad I would think. Everyone happy now?

BTW, everyone in this thread uses the word "troll" incorrectly. It is not interchangeable with "bully" or "sockpuppet" or "anyone who disagrees with me".


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