Gold Prices Dropping
zer0netgain wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
The notion that gold has an inherent "real" value is pure poppycock. Its value in the market is the result of the "tinker bell" effect.
Back in the 17-th century tulip bulbs had a "real" value too. It didn't last very long.
ruveyn
Back in the 17-th century tulip bulbs had a "real" value too. It didn't last very long.
ruveyn
Not this again.
Gold and other precious metals have always been the foundation of sound economic systems for THOUSANDS of years. That is not going to change anytime soon.
The wealthiest families in the world (those who OWN the central banks) settle their accounts in gold. So long as that goes on, it will be the standard.
Except that gold isn't the standard, because people haven't been ina gold standard for ages. One could more credibly claim that silver, and not gold, has been of greater importance to the economy of the world. Qing China ran on that stuff. Today the world runs on paper currency, whose ability to be transferred in small exchanges across the world has bypassed the need for gold ina day to day basis.
There's a good reason why gold is a reserve. It's used in times of crisis. However it's clear that its value has been eroded thanks to the illogical and destructive campaigns of Glenn Beck.
Inuyasha wrote:
johansen wrote:
The price of gold dropping is because they are selling off paper gold, only the poor are selling their gold.
I would love to trade my gold for platinum and pretend that the economy is going to turn around but i find no fundamentals to support that.
I would love to trade my gold for platinum and pretend that the economy is going to turn around but i find no fundamentals to support that.
I have to agree with you on this. Gold's price increasing probably had more to do with the value of the dollar falling through the floor than it being a typical bubble.
I would say that fear-mongering has a larger part to play in this than you would suppose.
zer0netgain wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
But what if those families decide it would be a good idea to bankrupt the people that are on to them
by dumping their metals (they can just buy back at lower prices after the bubble pops).
{insert ominous chords}
Gold by any standard is in a bubble selling now is the most rational choice.
by dumping their metals (they can just buy back at lower prices after the bubble pops).
{insert ominous chords}
Gold by any standard is in a bubble selling now is the most rational choice.
When you can name some other commodity that cannot be created at whim that lasts indefinitely that IS NOT a "precious metal" or gem, I'll give your position validity.
The wealthiest of people DO NOT deal with fiat currencies. They will only deal with durable items of rarity and value.
Do you even know how the richest people on the earth deal with anything? Why on Earth's name would anyone want to put their faith in to anything whose stable and very high value traditionally disallows it from being used in investment or even earning dividends? I doubt that Bill Gates has even a modest store of gold. I think he has multiple currencies hypothetically, but you'd be a fool to think that anyone in Forbes would ever want to keep a large store of gold.
It's a deadweight on your investments because all it does is sit there and not be used in any productive activity. That makes it perfect for Governments, whose finances are often helped and improved by having some form of stability and whose goal in financing itself has been to avoid making risk, but for rich individuals Gold is a literal deadweight, unless you are in the Gold industry, at which point you sell it and don't keep it.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gold-slid ... 00668.html
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....Gold prices fell below $1,200 an ounce Thursday and it hit their lowest levels since 2010.
Gold has tumbled nearly 30% in 2014. That's the biggest drop since 1981, said Kevin DeMeritt, president of Lear Capital, a precious metals firm based in Los Angeles. It's also the first year-over-year decline in gold prices since 2000, according to FactSet.
Investors have been selling gold futures and gold-backed ETFs this year as stocks have soared to record highs. Prices for physical gold, including bars and coins, have fared better thanks to demand from investors in China.
Related: China becomes world's top gold buyer
The rout follows a long-running bull market in gold. Even after this year's losses, gold is still up nearly 350% since 2001, when it traded below $300 an ounce.
Gold hit a nominal (i.e. not adjusted for inflation) all-time high near $1,900 an ounce in 2011.....
Gold has tumbled nearly 30% in 2014. That's the biggest drop since 1981, said Kevin DeMeritt, president of Lear Capital, a precious metals firm based in Los Angeles. It's also the first year-over-year decline in gold prices since 2000, according to FactSet.
Investors have been selling gold futures and gold-backed ETFs this year as stocks have soared to record highs. Prices for physical gold, including bars and coins, have fared better thanks to demand from investors in China.
Related: China becomes world's top gold buyer
The rout follows a long-running bull market in gold. Even after this year's losses, gold is still up nearly 350% since 2001, when it traded below $300 an ounce.
Gold hit a nominal (i.e. not adjusted for inflation) all-time high near $1,900 an ounce in 2011.....
Gedrene wrote:
It's a deadweight on your investments because all it does is sit there and not be used in any productive activity. That makes it perfect for Governments, whose finances are often helped and improved by having some form of stability and whose goal in financing itself has been to avoid making risk, but for rich individuals Gold is a literal deadweight, unless you are in the Gold industry, at which point you sell it and don't keep it.
Gold & Silver are insurance not profit-makers.
You buy insurance for the worst case scenario.
Plus, they are fun to collect .
LoveNotHate wrote:
Gold & Silver are insurance not profit-makers.
You buy insurance for the worst case scenario.
Plus, they are fun to collect .
You buy insurance for the worst case scenario.
Plus, they are fun to collect .
True enough.
Precious metals is like a game of musical chairs. It's your effort to make sure you have a place to sit when the music stops playing.
The way it "makes" you money is if you buy/sell with market fluctuation and not actual market value.
If the currency implodes and I have 1,000 ounces of pure silver, I can still obtain what is worth 1,000 ounces of silver, but the currency that would have once bought me 1,000 ounces of silver might not buy a single peanut.