Why the Allies won WW2

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exactly another thing to put on the Hitler's not a bright bulb list.

Also he was a zealous man with little patients for waiting to strike at the right time he rushed into things to soon.

I may have fluffed that out using small arms as examples. But they did fail to produce enough STGs, if they had them as the standard small arm by 1943, the war would have been very different. I don't blame Hitler for stalling their production, how could he ever think imagine that kind of weapon would exist.



I think the Germans made a mistake in blaming the whole Jewish race for Germany's problems, no doubt they were overepresented in the banks, the communist movement, the media and such but the majority are ordinary people. I stand corrected about that, lets just say science has never been my favourite subject.



I agree, at least about Dirlewanger anyway. Why they let him out of prison I don't know but he fought bravely enough.



On the contrary I think they will succeed, probably under a new banner. The 'neo-nazis' are irrlevant. The National Socialists who run things in far-right parties are a different animal. I know a few, they blend in with everybody else, lead double or triple lives even. All they need is an opportunity to gain public support, like perhaps a big economic disaster. The main factor on their side (and the reason that white supremacists in the US are classed as being as dangerous as al-qaeda) is the fact that they are usually clever and unrelenting

Saying that I think America is safe, its much too big and the far-right there is practically non-existant. Compare that with France, Germany, Sweden, Italy or the ex-soviet block and it is a very different story. Belarus' government has a system similar to fascism, yet it is rarely talked about.



I was told different. My mainobjective was to show up the pillock claiming the Germans were stupid/bad. Is that the key thing they were missing?

@Dreamlord
My point was that Hitler was incompetent and Nazi's were dumb to follow him.
I never said Germans are stupid.
did you know German != Nazi?
So you masterfully "proved" your "point"
A guy that never said Germans are stupid was Arrogant to say Germans are stupid.

Unless you are a German then I think we may have a datapoint to begin such a thesis.

My theory is that under nearly any other leadership the Germans would have won the war.

Yeah you NEVER want any commander-in-chief obstructing military operations unless they're been Generals. This is the same mistake Stalin and Saddam made. I guess tyrants are too arrogant to stay in their lanes and let the high ranking officers do their jobs.

Ideology corrupts strategy.
This is way Hitler, il Duce are crap at winning wars and even getting the trains to run on time.

Yep ideology completely defeats the purpose of strategy. Strategy is meant to get things done in the most efficient manner possible, and unnecessary dumb ass restrictions tend to either act as obstacles or traction.

This is not an endorsement of the rejection of ethics in times of war
Just pointing out that the deep seated belief that your soldiers are worth 100 of the enemy
is not the math you should use when you calculate necessary force strength.
Thinking that you are the "master" race may be great for enlistment not wonderful
for making rational decisions.
The Nazis where arguably the most ideological regime hence the one with the weakest grasp of reality.
This lack of understanding lead to the inevitable failure of their program.

The leadership of Japan between 1926 and 1945 was extremely racist and they too believed their own b.s. about how soft and indecisive Americans were or could be. Pearl Harbor in 1941, Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. Lesson taught, Lesson learned.

ruveyn

The Allies won World War II because the combined efforts of the Soviets, the Americans and the British Empire were bigger than the Germans, the Italians and the Japanese. SImple really.

Courageous opposition plus America's industrial muscle did the job. We beat the Axis primarily because we outproduced them. The Japanese and to some extent the Germans believed that Will was primary and not material factors. A bad assumption, as it turned out.

ruveyn

I know what you mean dude. Battlefield conduct should definitely be ethical but when it comes to strategy one shouldn't be blinded by stupid ideological restrictions. Arrogance is one of them and it is the blind spot that caused Hitler to underestimate his enemies.

And the Japanese to under estimate their enemy, especially the United States. Admiral Yamimoto disagreed with the negative estimation that the Japanese leadership made of American resolve. He warned them. I do not know if he really said "You have awakened a sleeping giant" but he did say thing equivalent to that.

The Confederates made the same mistake in their estimate of the Union. They really believed that the Union could not possibly field an army that could tangle with them, and the early battles of the Civil War bore out their low estimate. However, once Lincoln put Grant in charge that changed within a year. The Rebs found out just what they were up against. Again they lost to an opponent who could not only fight on the battle field, but could outproduce them 10 to 1.

ruveyn

Another plank for the Nazis are stupid platform.
It is dumb to incite folks that can't beat you into a fight.

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After Chamberlain came to Germany, practically on his knees, it was not at all apparent that Britain could stand up to Germany. And it was not apparent that the U.S. was even willing to do so. Britain was vulnerable because it is an island. If Donetz had gotten his 300 U-boats early on, the outcome might have been quite different. Britain could have been starved into settling with Germany.

Britain and France were scared sh*tless by the carnage of the Great War. There was very little stomach for the fight until Churchill roused the nation. And the French showed just how valiant an fierce they were. You could get an army rifle in France real cheap. Never been fired and dropped only once.

ruveyn

If 20th century history has ever taught us anything, it's that you don't mess with Commies. Rarely have we ever won a war against them.