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05 Oct 2011, 3:42 pm
Oodain wrote:
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Oodain wrote:
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:lol: I find it funny that a atheist would care enough to debate the existince of God whom they dont belive exsists in the first place
it affects their lives even if he doesnt exist in force of organized religion having an influence.
WOW that almost sounds like a conspiracy theory to me if one doesnt belive in God why not contribute to things like math science ect the religious will never go away neither will radical atheists hell bent on ridding the world of religion??
to debate the existence of a god is impossible from a human viewpoint both for religous and non religious people, why should a decision then be based on religion and not reason?
the gay marriage debate is one of these areas,
i think i speak for most non-believers when i say we dont care much about peoples personal belief, only the effect on society.
nor do i think most non-believers would laugh gleefully at the demise of religon or spirituality itself, i for one love much of the architecture religion drives people to make, but do i think this justifies church taxes? (no)
how any of this sounds like a conspiracy theory is beyond me as it is visible in many debates around the globe in full public view.
I do agree that a non believer doesnt care about peoples personal beliefs but they care enough to demonize them for it.
Ok I guess that was a bit harsh of a statement but that was just me speaking my mind
Some religious do agree with some reason to belive in God I see the logic behind it that others dont because they are to skeptical to have a open mind to anything that involves spirituality.
Their is also archaeological evidence in the Torah Bible Quran ect that supports our religious belifes.
I just do not see the logic behind a non beliver debating the existince of a higher power they already do not belive in
Also not all chrisitans mulsims or jews belive certin things about their religion or question some of the stories or the core belifes.
05 Oct 2011, 8:18 pm
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I do agree that a non believer doesnt care about peoples personal beliefs but they care enough to demonize them for it.
Ok I guess that was a bit harsh of a statement but that was just me speaking my mind
Ok I guess that was a bit harsh of a statement but that was just me speaking my mind
The same can be said about believers.
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Some religious do agree with some reason to belive in God I see the logic behind it that others dont because they are to skeptical to have a open mind to anything that involves spirituality.
Some just don't see any indication that anything spiritual exists. You can argue that's because of a closed mind, but again the same can be said about people who see spiritualism in every little thing despite perfectly satisfactory natural explenations being available.
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Their is also archaeological evidence in the Torah Bible Quran ect that supports our religious belifes.
No scientific evidence for spirituality has ever been brought forth. Unless I missed something, in which case I would very much like a link.
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I just do not see the logic behind a non beliver debating the existince of a higher power they already do not belive in
It's a curiosity to me. I don't understand why anyone would put any stock in spiritual claims, I understand it even less as our understanding of the universe grows. So I talk about it with people who do believe, sometimes it can get heated but that's just human nature.
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Also not all chrisitans mulsims or jews belive certin things about their religion or question some of the stories or the core belifes.
That on it's own says quite a lot to me.
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06 Oct 2011, 3:46 pm
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I do agree that a non believer doesnt care about peoples personal beliefs but they care enough to demonize them for it.
Ok I guess that was a bit harsh of a statement but that was just me speaking my mind
Ok I guess that was a bit harsh of a statement but that was just me speaking my mind
The same can be said about believers.
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Some religious do agree with some reason to belive in God I see the logic behind it that others dont because they are to skeptical to have a open mind to anything that involves spirituality.
Some just don't see any indication that anything spiritual exists. You can argue that's because of a closed mind, but again the same can be said about people who see spiritualism in every little thing despite perfectly satisfactory natural explenations being available.
Ok I can understand that but I still see it as a way to demonize a religious person if its out of curosity then thats find.
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Their is also archaeological evidence in the Torah Bible Quran ect that supports our religious belifes.
No scientific evidence for spirituality has ever been brought forth. Unless I missed something, in which case I would very much like a link.
Never said evidence of spirtualtiy but they have found archtifacts like the dead sea scrolls.
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I just do not see the logic behind a non beliver debating the existince of a higher power they already do not belive in
It's a curiosity to me. I don't understand why anyone would put any stock in spiritual claims, I understand it even less as our understanding of the universe grows. So I talk about it with people who do believe, sometimes it can get heated but that's just human nature.
I think that can be said about non beliver to we think that about non belivers I think both sides do.
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Also not all chrisitans mulsims or jews belive certin things about their religion or question some of the stories or the core belifes.
That on it's own says quite a lot to me.
Their are certin sects of christianity that isnt ecpeted like Arianism a form of Christanity.
Judeo christians are not well liked by Jews.
Sunni and Shiite muslims are always at conflict with each other.
I like to compare have a religion to the force in star wars
06 Oct 2011, 6:58 pm
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I do agree that a non believer doesnt care about peoples personal beliefs but they care enough to demonize them for it.
Some nonbelievers don't know a lot about it. Some do. It varies.
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Some religious do agree with some reason to belive in God I see the logic behind it that others dont because they are to skeptical to have a open mind to anything that involves spirituality.
Well, the root claim is whether religions are rationally justifiable. Atheists are often the people who argue that ALL religions are not rationally justifiable.(Atheism doesn't entail the claim that no religion is rationally justifiable, but atheists often do believe this on some level) Many religions hold that the religions they disagree with are not rationally justifiable.
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Their is also archaeological evidence in the Torah Bible Quran ect that supports our religious belifes.
The problem is that in some sense there cannot be. I mean, whether a city exists here or there is irrelevant to whether there is divine inspiration, which is the central claim. Nobody sensible believes that the texts have absolutely no relation to history, just the doubts are whether they are reliable for theological claims.
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I just do not see the logic behind a non beliver debating the existince of a higher power they already do not belive in
Do you not see the logic of most of the other debates then?? Even further, do you not realize that either way this is presented the non-believer loses? After all, either the non-believer is overly interested in faith, or through disinterest they are now "ignoring the great and powerful arguments for God", and in either situation, the atheist is presented as intellectually screwed up.
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Also not all chrisitans mulsims or jews belive certin things about their religion or question some of the stories or the core belifes.
True, but the problem is that many of these beliefs are going to be connected in some sense or another, if only in that doubting one belief says something about the reliability of the sources indicating belief is rational.
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06 Oct 2011, 7:15 pm
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Joker wrote:
I do agree that a non believer doesnt care about peoples personal beliefs but they care enough to demonize them for it.
Some nonbelievers don't know a lot about it. Some do. It varies.
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Some religious do agree with some reason to belive in God I see the logic behind it that others dont because they are to skeptical to have a open mind to anything that involves spirituality.
Well, the root claim is whether religions are rationally justifiable. Atheists are often the people who argue that ALL religions are not rationally justifiable.(Atheism doesn't entail the claim that no religion is rationally justifiable, but atheists often do believe this on some level) Many religions hold that the religions they disagree with are not rationally justifiable.
Its justifiable to the religious person atheists shouldnt worry about religion since they dont bleive in it or that they want to they just need proof even if they knew God did existice some would still not worship or belive in him just because they see him with their own eyes doesnt mean they will worship him.
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Their is also archaeological evidence in the Torah Bible Quran ect that supports our religious belifes.
The problem is that in some sense there cannot be. I mean, whether a city exists here or there is irrelevant to whether there is divine inspiration, which is the central claim. Nobody sensible believes that the texts have absolutely no relation to history, just the doubts are whether they are reliable for theological claims.
So the Dead Sea Scrolls where not found sure their is evidience that supports the stories it the torah bible and the quran an that it did in fact take place in history but nothing could support the fact that God is real nothing can only a person that belives lets their faith help them belive.
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I just do not see the logic behind a non beliver debating the existince of a higher power they already do not belive in
Do you not see the logic of most of the other debates then?? Even further, do you not realize that either way this is presented the non-believer loses? After all, either the non-believer is overly interested in faith, or through disinterest they are now "ignoring the great and powerful arguments for God", and in either situation, the atheist is presented as intellectually screwed up.
Atheists are smart I will give them that but knowlege corrupts the soul at least thats what I belive.
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Also not all chrisitans mulsims or jews belive certin things about their religion or question some of the stories or the core belifes.
True, but the problem is that many of these beliefs are going to be connected in some sense or another, if only in that doubting one belief says something about the reliability of the sources indicating belief is rational.
I am a lot like a muslim when it comes to my religion I only talk about my faith with another christian I rarley talk about it with a non beliver they tend to mock me when I do I never mock them for not beliving im only speaking for myself not all religious people.
07 Oct 2011, 8:02 am
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I am a lot like a muslim when it comes to my religion I only talk about my faith with another christian I rarley talk about it with a non beliver they tend to mock me when I do I never mock them for not beliving im only speaking for myself not all religious people.
You're talking about it with non-believers right now and you're not being mocked. Don't let a few inconsiderate jerks who happen to belong to a certain group put you off from discussing something you're interested in with others of that group.
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08 Oct 2011, 3:04 pm
Lecks wrote:
Joker wrote:
I am a lot like a muslim when it comes to my religion I only talk about my faith with another christian I rarley talk about it with a non beliver they tend to mock me when I do I never mock them for not beliving im only speaking for myself not all religious people.
You're talking about it with non-believers right now and you're not being mocked. Don't let a few inconsiderate jerks who happen to belong to a certain group put you off from discussing something you're interested in with others of that group.
Thats true I guess its a lot like being mocked for not liking a sports team everyone else loves they mock you cause your diffrent.
Christanity– Is a Religious Lifestyle.
Jesus did not say, "I have come that you might have religion … that you might have meetings … that you might have a ritual … that you might have doctrine … that you might have this or that ceremony." But He said, "My purpose is to give life in all its fullness."
Jesus says that Christianity is a life. He came to teach people how to live. Until you know Christ, you're not living, you're just existing.
Most people are searching for life; they're looking for it in anything. From one fad to the next, one commercial to the next, that will give me life! They call it other things – happiness, sex appeal, fame, status. But what they're looking for is "What in the world am I here for?" And the church should be the one place in society where people go to figure out how you live. The church ought to teach people how to live because Christianity is a life.
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