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01 Nov 2011, 3:27 pm

Until men own up for their sin they will never progress.

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01 Nov 2011, 3:27 pm

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It can be argued that Adam's sin was worse than Eve's because Adam knew what he was doing was wrong.

Again (I think this is the third time now) Adam and Eve did not know right from wrong prior to eating the fruit.

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01 Nov 2011, 3:27 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

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androbot2084 wrote:

But Eve did not know that her disobedience was wrong.

Because no one told her not to eat the fruit?

Didnt God himself instruct both Adam and Eve to stay away from the fruit tree?

There you go so Lilith is guilty of the same initial sin as Eve (initially)

Seems like we have a slogan for Lilith at this point:

"Lilith: She might have protested Adam putting 'it' 'there' but hey, at least she didn't give him bad apples!"

I like that Slogan it needs to be on a T shirt :wink:

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01 Nov 2011, 3:32 pm

Adam knew that if he ate the fruit that he would die.

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01 Nov 2011, 3:41 pm

Well.. that is a conundrum.

Adam and eve couldnt 'know' it was wrong to eat of the tree knowledge until after they ate from the tree of knowledge.

I always assumed that the "Lilith" character in the Frasier show had some kind symbolic literary biblical meaning. But there was never any "Eve" character in the show. And the Lilith in Frasier was not particular like the mythological Lilith in any obvious way. So Im not sure what to make of that "Lilith".

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01 Nov 2011, 3:52 pm

I know that murder is wrong even though I have never killed anyone.

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01 Nov 2011, 3:56 pm

androbot2084 wrote:

Until men own up for their sin they will never progress.

Well no, we'll never progress until men realize that they're just low-down dirty violent dogs and that it should be women ruling the world. :lol:

On the other hand too, another thing that constantly gets overlooked: Zeus's dad ate all of his other brothers and sisters but his mom saved him the same fate. That's women - two, men - zero!

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01 Nov 2011, 3:57 pm

androbot2084 wrote:

I know that murder is wrong even though I have never killed anyone.

They couldnt KNOW right from wrong( nor anything) - until they ate from the tree of KNOWledge!

Get it!

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01 Nov 2011, 4:00 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

androbot2084 wrote:

Until men own up for their sin they will never progress.

Well no, we'll never progress until men realize that they're just low-down dirty violent dogs and that it should be women ruling the world. :lol:

On the other hand too, another thing that constantly gets overlooked: Zeus's dad ate all of his other brothers and sisters but his mom saved him the same fate. That's women - two, men - zero!

Right on sister girl power :wink:

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01 Nov 2011, 4:13 pm

The fact is that before the fall women did rule the world.

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01 Nov 2011, 4:18 pm

androbot2084 wrote:

The fact is that before the fall women did rule the world.

Explain.

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01 Nov 2011, 4:20 pm

Eve was only commanded to obey Adam after the fall.

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01 Nov 2011, 4:21 pm

Lecks wrote:

androbot2084 wrote:

The fact is that before the fall women did rule the world.

Explain.

I also want him to explain as a Jew my religion teaches that both men and women where created as equals.

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01 Nov 2011, 5:10 pm

Eve told Adam to eat the forbidden fruit and Adam obeyed Eve.

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01 Nov 2011, 5:15 pm

androbot2084 wrote:

Eve told Adam to eat the forbidden fruit and Adam obeyed Eve.

For someone to be entirely 'innocent' or without knowledge means they'll listen to whoever told them what to do last - ie. they have no minds of their own. The symbolism of God putting the tree there and even saying not to eat is would be saying that Adam and Eve would be immortal until they ate it; eternity is an unforgivable amount of time for something not to go wrong. It would probably make more sense to assume that the garden of Eden never existed and that its an allegory/narrative on how cognitive beings such as ourselves who wanted right in the world more often than not but fall to barbarism in practice more often - came to that dual nature, and of course its a tale told in the cultural sentiments of the times.

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01 Nov 2011, 5:32 pm

But it raises the question. Before the fall did Women rule the world?

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