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Who will you be voting for this election?
Obama 33%  33%  [ 18 ]
A Republican candidate 17%  17%  [ 9 ]
Someone else (please specify) 13%  13%  [ 7 ]
No one 19%  19%  [ 10 ]
Not sure yet 19%  19%  [ 10 ]
Total votes : 54

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16 Nov 2011, 5:57 pm

@ WilliamWDelaney

The economy actually wasn't improving during 2010, they were just not counting hundreds of thousands of unemployed people.



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16 Nov 2011, 6:22 pm

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I'm voting for Obama.

All the Republican candidates scare the sh** out of me.


Including Mitt? He is a wuss.

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16 Nov 2011, 6:37 pm

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The economy actually wasn't improving during 2010, they were just not counting hundreds of thousands of unemployed people.


If stats disagree with opinion
Conspiracy is the obvious solution.


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16 Nov 2011, 6:47 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
@ WilliamWDelaney

The economy actually wasn't improving during 2010, they were just not counting hundreds of thousands of unemployed people.


If stats disagree with opinion
Conspiracy is the obvious solution.


No, statistics reflect the opinions of whoever compiles them, especially in politics. Using a gallup poll of the underemployed shows not the reported unemployed (those collecting checks rather than those who are merely unable to find work). One thing that increased jobs available in 2010 though was the census and it's 300,000 makework jobs that last as long as there is a need for people to transcribe data from paper onto an electronic database - after which they're out of work again.



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16 Nov 2011, 6:55 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
@ WilliamWDelaney

The economy actually wasn't improving during 2010, they were just not counting hundreds of thousands of unemployed people.


If stats disagree with opinion
Conspiracy is the obvious solution.


No, statistics reflect the opinions of whoever compiles them, especially in politics. Using a gallup poll of the underemployed shows not the reported unemployed (those collecting checks rather than those who are merely unable to find work). One thing that increased jobs available in 2010 though was the census and it's 300,000 makework jobs that last as long as there is a need for people to transcribe data from paper onto an electronic database - after which they're out of work again.


As I am not a post-modern I do not believe that data is hopelessly burdened with politics and thus worthless.

If unemployment is figured incorrectly but figured incorrectly the same way for the entire chart then there is growth.
(assuming the method introduces systematic error )

In my experience stats tend to be true interpretation of stats on the other hand . . .


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16 Nov 2011, 6:59 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
@ WilliamWDelaney

The economy actually wasn't improving during 2010, they were just not counting hundreds of thousands of unemployed people.


If stats disagree with opinion
Conspiracy is the obvious solution.


No, statistics reflect the opinions of whoever compiles them, especially in politics. Using a gallup poll of the underemployed shows not the reported unemployed (those collecting checks rather than those who are merely unable to find work). One thing that increased jobs available in 2010 though was the census and it's 300,000 makework jobs that last as long as there is a need for people to transcribe data from paper onto an electronic database - after which they're out of work again.


As I am not a post-modern I do not believe that data is hopelessly burdened with politics and thus worthless.

If unemployment is figured incorrectly but figured incorrectly the same way for the entire chart then there is growth.
(assuming the method introduces systematic error )

In my experience stats tend to be true interpretation of stats on the other hand . . .


The stat that Delaney listed isn't about unemployment, but underemployment, such as people who are unable to find work outside of Wal-Mart and hence make barely enough to afford both rent AND food each month.



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16 Nov 2011, 7:05 pm

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You can't legitimately point to a single fault in Obama's foreign policy.


Do you really believe that Obama has no faults in matters of diplomacy whatsoever, or is this about what I'm able to point out without people whinging?



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16 Nov 2011, 7:43 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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I'm voting for Obama.

All the Republican candidates scare the sh** out of me.


How is preaching personal responsibility scary.

AnonymousAnonymous never said that's what makes him/her scared of them.


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16 Nov 2011, 7:47 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
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I'm voting for Obama.

All the Republican candidates scare the sh** out of me.


How is preaching personal responsibility scary.

AnonymousAnonymous never said that's what makes him/her scared of them.


Perhaps it's that, even though all of them are probably complete liars, they're not running as democrats?



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16 Nov 2011, 8:30 pm

Yet another thing he didn't say.

Why does Inukeet need to put words on AnonymousAnonymous to argue against him?


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16 Nov 2011, 8:33 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Yet another thing he didn't say.

Why does Inukeet need to put words on AnonymousAnonymous to argue against him?


That is the almost the only way Inuyasha chooses to argue...


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16 Nov 2011, 8:34 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
@ WilliamWDelaney

The economy actually wasn't improving during 2010, they were just not counting hundreds of thousands of unemployed people.


If stats disagree with opinion
Conspiracy is the obvious solution.


Don't pay too much attention to the headline unemployment rate of 9.1 percent. It is scary enough, but it is a gloss on the reality. These numbers do not include the millions who have stopped looking for a job or who are working part time but would work full time if a position were available. And they count only those people who have actively applied for a job within the last four weeks.

Include those others and the real number is a nasty 16 percent. The 16 percent includes 8.5 million part-timers who want to work full time (which is double the historical norm) and those who have applied for a job within the last six months, including many of the long-term unemployed. And this 16 percent does not take into account the discouraged workers who have left the labor force. The fact is that the longer duration of six months is the more relevant testing period since the mean duration of unemployment is now 39.7 weeks, an increase from 37.1 weeks in February. [See a slide show of the 10 cities with highest real income.]

The inescapable bottom line is an unprecedented slack in the U.S. labor market. Labor's share of national income has fallen to the lowest level in modern history, down to 57.5 percent in the first quarter as compared to 59.8 percent when the so-called recovery began. This reflects not only the 7 million fewer workers but the fact that wages for part-time workers now average $19,000—less than half the median income.

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You can't legitimately point to a single fault in Obama's foreign policy.


1. Treating Israel almost like an enemy.

2. Not lifting a finger or giving any support to the dissidents in Iran during the clearly fraudulent vote counting.

3. Libya and Egypt, while I don't mind dictators being ousted, Obama gave no consideration into who would replace them. Egypt looks like they are going to have an anti-Christian purge, and Libya may have radicals gain control.

4. Syria, if he is going to be consistent he should have hit Syria by now.

5. Sending a bust of Winston Churchill back to Great Britain and essentially insulting the British.

6. The Canadian pipeline, Canada may send the oil to China instead now because they aren't going to lose money cause Obama wants to play politics.

7. The nonproliferation treaty that lets Russia add missiles while we have to count our missile defense and conventional missiles.

That's seven major foreign policy blunders off the top of my head.



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16 Nov 2011, 8:59 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
@ WilliamWDelaney

The economy actually wasn't improving during 2010, they were just not counting hundreds of thousands of unemployed people.


If stats disagree with opinion
Conspiracy is the obvious solution.


No, statistics reflect the opinions of whoever compiles them, especially in politics. Using a gallup poll of the underemployed shows not the reported unemployed (those collecting checks rather than those who are merely unable to find work). One thing that increased jobs available in 2010 though was the census and it's 300,000 makework jobs that last as long as there is a need for people to transcribe data from paper onto an electronic database - after which they're out of work again.


As I am not a post-modern I do not believe that data is hopelessly burdened with politics and thus worthless.

If unemployment is figured incorrectly but figured incorrectly the same way for the entire chart then there is growth.
(assuming the method introduces systematic error )

In my experience stats tend to be true interpretation of stats on the other hand . . .


The stat that Delaney listed isn't about unemployment, but underemployment, such as people who are unable to find work outside of Wal-Mart and hence make barely enough to afford both rent AND food each month.


Then replace the word unemployment with underemployment in what I wrote.
The Idea that statistics should be automatically ignored chafes me. <-not pointed at you.


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18 Nov 2011, 1:11 am

Barack's got my vote!

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18 Nov 2011, 1:24 am

WilliamWDelaney wrote:
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Obama.

Obama has actually had the strongest ethics of any administration in modern times, which to me suggests that he has strong leadership skills. I would rather have him than anyone else in charge of this nation during a crisis.


He's not in charge though...
I'm not sure where you come off saying that.


You really think Obama is the one running things.......seriously? Let's see who do you suppose buys the politicians in the first place? not to mention its not quite as powerful of a position as people assume.



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18 Nov 2011, 8:23 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Obama.

Obama has actually had the strongest ethics of any administration in modern times, which to me suggests that he has strong leadership skills. I would rather have him than anyone else in charge of this nation during a crisis.


He's not in charge though...
I'm not sure where you come off saying that.


You really think Obama is the one running things.......seriously?
Yup. He's been a pretty awesome commander-in-chief. I admire the man. You got a problem with that?

The last presidency destroyed a lot of people's faith in the chief executive, but Obama has done a lot to restore it. The chief executive has emerged from the ashes, reborn in the image of Generation X and every reason that Generation X and its offspring don't suck entirely. He is a compact encapsulation of the redeeming qualities of the past couple of generations. He is the FDR of Generation Z.

We're rotating those baby boomers into their retirement homes. This will be a day of reckoning. Have the baby boomers served us well enough to deserve for us to go to any length avoid making their golden years crappy?