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I don't think saying that one enjoys sausage is terribly scornful.

"I don't get my food from animals" is not arbitrary morality; it is a clear, concise, and consistent code of conduct.

False equivocation. Since one can draw a difference in the reasons behind the two activties your assertion is false.


That's fine enough, but sadly it doesn't give a moral explanation.

I am a meat-eater but bad arguments rank with me.

Semivegitarianism may become more commonplace in the future but I dont see meat eating completely disappearing.

What may happen will be that not only will we eat less meat, but less and less of the meat part of our diet will be from the conventional livestock of today.

The warmblooded vertebrate animals we eat today (like cattle, pigs, and chickens) will be supplanted by a "microlivestock" industry that will raise, slaughter, and then grind up, insects for human consumption via hot dogs ( or fish stick like) foods.

Being cold blooded insects take less feed to produce a pound of flesh than do mammals and birds.

I'm 90% vegan. I was vegetarian for 4 years but when I made the switch to vegan I became anemic, so I started eating chicken again (maybe once a week). I'll also eat certain things that have dairy if it's very minimal amounts.

Have the iron levels increased since then? It doesn't seem that chicken would have sufficient amount of iron. Do you take supplements for it?

I also was diagnosed anemic about a year ago, however my doctor told me it wasn't because of what I wasn't eating (meat) but what I was eating (wheat, which apparently I'm sensitive to). So in my case the solution was not to eat chicken but to eliminate the food that was inhibiting my iron absorption. You might want to check with your doctor to rule out any medical conditions that are causing the anemia.

5 of the top 10 iron-rich foods are vegan: dark leafy greens, dried fruit, iron-enriched breakfast cereal, beans, and artichokes (source: webmd.com)

It is clear and concise. It might be consistent if we assume you don't live in a building or use computers or paper or anything that can cause animals to die. And it is completely arbitrary because plants are living beings too.


The "reasons" are different but neither are rational and both are based on lame presumptions. A is based on the theory of the existence of a god that records attendance. B is based on the idea that it is possible to exist in this world without causing the deaths of other beings.


It doesn't have to.

Then I guess I don't understand what you mean by "arbitrary."

For me, an example of "arbitrary" would be: "I choose to eat certain animals but not eat certain others, based on personal criteria that may appear random or inconsistent to others."

What is your definition of the word?

"Yesterday I was vegan but today I think I'll eat bacon," is an example of arbitrary behavior, but how can you label consistent behavior like "yesterday I did not eat meat today I will not eat meat, tomorrow I will not eat meat" as arbitrary?

How do you get B12? The only way to get it is either from injections or animal products.

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As a side note, I'm starting to understand why Jehovah allowed Noah and his family to eat meat. By that time human imperfection (Roman 5:12) prevented humans from getting B12 either through their food or producing it on their own so the only way to get would be from animal products.

"And God went on to bless Noah and his sons and to say to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth. And a fear of YOU and a terror of YOU will continue upon every living creature of the earth and upon every flying creature of the heavens, upon everything that goes moving on the ground, and upon all the fishes of the sea. Into YOUR hand they are now given. Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for YOU. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to YOU. Only flesh with its soul—its blood—YOU must not eat." (Genesis 9:1-4)

This is a religious epiphany for me.

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Who is that gorgeous being? I felt a pang of lust for her.

ruveyn

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He's just as sexy.

Ed: In other words yes B12 is currently the only known micronutrient needed to be supplemented and currently monitored while following vegan diet. However as much as 40% general population is at risk for suffering from insufficiency which is largely caused by consuming too much animal products which are compromising absorbtion of this vital nutrient and don't take my word for it. Maybe that's why people are so crazy. Also I will add that even though plant B12 seems to be absorbed poorly if at all they find some traces of it in organically grown stuff in some sort of soil. And there's a theory that we can make it in our guts dunno I should read more about it.

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Arbitrary and consistent are not in any why opposites of incompatible.
the utterance
"I have decided to never wear pants again"
proposes a behavior that is both arbitrary and consistent

I think I understand what you are saying. Decisions may appear arbitrary to the observer. But we need to know the person better to understand the reasons. Maybe a medical condition precludes the wearing of pants.

Example: A stranger says "I do not eat pork." The decision may seem arbitrary to the observer, but we do not know the reason until we talk to the stranger and learn the reason why. Maybe the decision to abstain from pork is arbitrary, maybe not.

This passage gets debated ad infinitum... "Fear" and "terror" are possible translations, but what if the actual message is "respect" and "honor?" Jesus clarified this passage for me with his parables about the shepherd and the sheep: When God places sheep under your stewardship, you have a responsibility to care for and protect them. The way we care for animals, children, the meek--even our enemies--is a Rorschach test for how we wish God to care for us.