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30 Nov 2011, 6:06 pm

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Yes because Facism and what the Occupy movement stands for are pretty much the same thing same goes for religious dictatorships.

There is a fair amount of all the others but I don't think there are many facists or people who would like a religious dictatorship in the Occupy movement.


http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

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“I urgently URGE all of you,” the statement’s unnamed author added, “to TAKE PART and JOIN IN when these protests hit your neck of the woods. Produce some flyers EXPLAINING the ‘JEW BANKER’ influence — DON’T wear anything marking you as an ‘evil racist’ — and GET OUT THERE and SPREAD the WORD!”


The Nazis only supported the Occupy movement because they (the Nazis) associate the banks with Jews. That, and because it would get the Neo-Nazis free publicity. Otherwise, the Nazis would be accusing the Occupy people of being communists and dirty hippies.
This is BS that the Republicans blow out of proportion. Funny how the Republicans were quiet when White Supremacists had promoted - and even took part in - the Tea Party.

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Republicans/Social conservatives/White Supremacists = moral collectivists

Democrats/Occupiers/Liberals = economic collectivists

Both want control over you; the first seeks to be the master of your mind, the other seeks to be the master of the products of your labor. Either way you're still a slave.


I question the accuracy of this.


Question it all you want. The more you question it, the sooner you will realize that it is irrefutable.


Ok well that is not the messege I got from the occupiers, so you might want to go out in the world and take off your baised lenses and actually observe what is going on. The Occupiers are actually opposed to being enslaved to a system that sucks.....hence the reason they want something done about the fact that about 1% of the population owns about 90% of the wealth.

Democrats and Republicans might as well be the same party because the only difference I see is the democrats are a little bit less obvious about their corruption.

Not really sure what a liberal is but i know that word gets thrown around far too much........I mean just watch fox news and your bound to hear liberals this, liberals that, liberals are evil, they want to eat your babies.


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30 Nov 2011, 6:12 pm

marshall wrote:
JWC wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JWC wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JWC wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Yes because Facism and what the Occupy movement stands for are pretty much the same thing same goes for religious dictatorships.

There is a fair amount of all the others but I don't think there are many facists or people who would like a religious dictatorship in the Occupy movement.


http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

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“I urgently URGE all of you,” the statement’s unnamed author added, “to TAKE PART and JOIN IN when these protests hit your neck of the woods. Produce some flyers EXPLAINING the ‘JEW BANKER’ influence — DON’T wear anything marking you as an ‘evil racist’ — and GET OUT THERE and SPREAD the WORD!”


The Nazis only supported the Occupy movement because they (the Nazis) associate the banks with Jews. That, and because it would get the Neo-Nazis free publicity. Otherwise, the Nazis would be accusing the Occupy people of being communists and dirty hippies.
This is BS that the Republicans blow out of proportion. Funny how the Republicans were quiet when White Supremacists had promoted - and even took part in - the Tea Party.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Republicans/Social conservatives/White Supremacists = moral collectivists

Democrats/Occupiers/Liberals = economic collectivists

Both want control over you; the first seeks to be the master of your mind, the other seeks to be the master of the products of your labor. Either way you're still a slave.


Isn't that a tad bit cynical?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Cynical or not, it's the truth.


What makes you think a "libertarian" society would let you be a "master of the products of your labor"? Was this ever the case for ordinary workers in the 19th century industrial dystopias of the world? I'd use your favorite word to describe your "libertarian" brainwashing... ludicrous.


I am not a libertarian; however, I do support laissez-faire capitalism. True laissez-faire capitalism eliminates force from all interactions between individuals. A society which only tolerates voluntary interactions among it's citizens has no slaves and no masters.



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30 Nov 2011, 6:39 pm

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I am not a libertarian; however, I do support laissez-faire capitalism. True laissez-faire capitalism eliminates force from all interactions between individuals. A society which only tolerates voluntary interactions among it's citizens has no slaves and no masters.

So you are an anarcho-capitalist, which is an even more ludicrous ideology. It would result in nothing more than a plutocracy controlled by wealthy landlords turned feudal fiefdom owners with hired armies.



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30 Nov 2011, 6:46 pm

JWC wrote:
marshall wrote:
JWC wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JWC wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JWC wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Yes because Facism and what the Occupy movement stands for are pretty much the same thing same goes for religious dictatorships.

There is a fair amount of all the others but I don't think there are many facists or people who would like a religious dictatorship in the Occupy movement.


http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/17/red-white-and-angry%E2%80%A8-communist-nazi-parties-endorse-occupy-protests/

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“I urgently URGE all of you,” the statement’s unnamed author added, “to TAKE PART and JOIN IN when these protests hit your neck of the woods. Produce some flyers EXPLAINING the ‘JEW BANKER’ influence — DON’T wear anything marking you as an ‘evil racist’ — and GET OUT THERE and SPREAD the WORD!”


The Nazis only supported the Occupy movement because they (the Nazis) associate the banks with Jews. That, and because it would get the Neo-Nazis free publicity. Otherwise, the Nazis would be accusing the Occupy people of being communists and dirty hippies.
This is BS that the Republicans blow out of proportion. Funny how the Republicans were quiet when White Supremacists had promoted - and even took part in - the Tea Party.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Republicans/Social conservatives/White Supremacists = moral collectivists

Democrats/Occupiers/Liberals = economic collectivists

Both want control over you; the first seeks to be the master of your mind, the other seeks to be the master of the products of your labor. Either way you're still a slave.


Isn't that a tad bit cynical?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Cynical or not, it's the truth.


What makes you think a "libertarian" society would let you be a "master of the products of your labor"? Was this ever the case for ordinary workers in the 19th century industrial dystopias of the world? I'd use your favorite word to describe your "libertarian" brainwashing... ludicrous.


I am not a libertarian; however, I do support laissez-faire capitalism. True laissez-faire capitalism eliminates force from all interactions between individuals. A society which only tolerates voluntary interactions among it's citizens has no slaves and no masters.


Enslavement comes with uncontrolled capitalism, as workers and consumers are at the mercy of the producers and management.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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30 Nov 2011, 9:16 pm

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01 Dec 2011, 12:22 am

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So far we have
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01 Dec 2011, 9:15 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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So far we have
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HerrGrimm FRLAC
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You seem to have missed me.

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01 Dec 2011, 9:39 am

Two takes on the same idea: one from secularist Richard Dawkins, the other from the Bible. Dawkins' "shifting moral zeitgeist" is the Bible's "spirit of the world", also called "god of this world" and "spirit of this age". (Interestingly, Wikipedia defines "zeitgeist" as "spirit of the times" -- basically verbatim to the Bible's phraseology for it.)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwz6B8BFkb4[/youtube]

"whose minds the spirit of this age has blinded, who do not believe..."
(2 Corinthians 4:4, NKJV)
"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not..."
(2 Corinthians 4:4)
"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God...But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him..."
(1 Corinthians 2:12-14)

In the last days, people will be fully occupied in worldly matters, not even thinking of the Lord's return:

Jesus said: "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."
(Matt 24:36-42)

Interestingly, both Dawkins and the inspired biblical writers speak of their belief in a leading influence which shapes and molds society's sense of morals. The difference is Dawkins believes it is an influence toward good, and the Bible says it is toward evil. But both agree that this force leads away from belief in God. But who's right about it being a good or bad thing? Well, it's certainly easier for Dawkins to believe in this anti-God shift from the perspective of the present, than for the Bible to have predicted it thousands of years in advance. The major downturn in the influence of Christian thought, and in respect for theology as "the queen of the sciences" (what a radical view today(!), yet was accepted then), has really occurred just within the last 200 years.

The antichrist is prophesied to arrive on the scene to the great reception of the nations -- well, think of the current dire-and-growing worldwide economic crisis. How would the nations greet a successful solver of all our money problems? Surely, as in such historical cases, with open arms, and submission to his subsequent leadership in order to maintain that monetary success:

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The dragon [Satan] gave the beast [the antiChrist] his power and his throne and great authority. One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”
The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
(Rev 13:2-8)


A form of universal currency -- something daily discussed as a solution to the world's economic woes:

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It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name."
(Rev 13:16-17)


How many people would worship a great and powerful and successful leader who regularly blasphemed God? From human sentiments often heard and expressed these days, many, many, many would, by that short list of criteria alone. We're clearly headed toward a one-world government, as such is being frequently and seriously discussed as a solution to our biggest problems. The only question is, who will lead it? Who is that person to whom the world will submit with their praise and service?


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01 Dec 2011, 9:49 am

@Ragtime
how is that in anyway on topic or useful?
I just want data to make a relation.


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01 Dec 2011, 10:10 am

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@Ragtime
how is that in anyway on topic or useful?


The subject my post discusses is so obviously related to the subject of the thread, that I don't even know how to answer your question.


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01 Dec 2011, 10:59 am

Ragtime wrote:
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@Ragtime
how is that in anyway on topic or useful?


The subject my post discusses is so obviously related to the subject of the thread, that I don't even know how to answer your question.


Really?, it does not contain your list of which of the slopes to hell we likely to be on.
A thing that the framer of this post is actually interested in.
As a strict constructionist my hands are bound on this topic.


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01 Dec 2011, 12:05 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
So far we have
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Pandabear RFLAC
MarsCoban RFLAC
JWC awesome but contains no R and 2 A's
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I need about ten people to make an interesting relation between participants.
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01 Dec 2011, 12:13 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Enslavement comes with uncontrolled capitalism, as workers and consumers are at the mercy of the producers and management.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Enslavement requires the use of force, without the authority to force anyone to buy their products or work against their will (which can only be provided through gov't intervention), the producers and management have no power to enslave anyone.



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01 Dec 2011, 12:21 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
So far we have
Me FRLAC
Pandabear RFLAC
MarsCoban RFLAC
JWC awesome but contains no R and 2 A's
HerrGrimm FRLAC
Jacoby FLCAR
Rax ARLFC
Robdemanc LAFCR

I need about ten people to make an interesting relation between participants.
much more for useful stats
right now we have 7
If I have missed you politely remind me with a post in this thread.


You seem to have missed me.

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I am having a hard time finding it could you tell me again


Essentially, I thought it was great that we are living in a Liberal cesspool where dogs can marry cats." If anything, I hope we'll continue on with this trend.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


For my math to work I need an ordering.


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01 Dec 2011, 1:06 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
So far we have
Me FRLAC
Pandabear RFLAC
MarsCoban RFLAC
JWC awesome but contains no R and 2 A's
HerrGrimm FRLAC
Jacoby FLCAR
Rax ARLFC
Robdemanc LAFCR

I need about ten people to make an interesting relation between participants.
much more for useful stats
right now we have 7
If I have missed you politely remind me with a post in this thread.


You seem to have missed me.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



I am having a hard time finding it could you tell me again


Essentially, I thought it was great that we are living in a Liberal cesspool where dogs can marry cats." If anything, I hope we'll continue on with this trend.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


For my math to work I need an ordering.


Give me a little time on that.

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01 Dec 2011, 1:09 pm

JWC wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Enslavement comes with uncontrolled capitalism, as workers and consumers are at the mercy of the producers and management.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Enslavement requires the use of force, without the authority to force anyone to buy their products or work against their will (which can only be provided through gov't intervention), the producers and management have no power to enslave anyone.


Their power is derived from creating the products so necessary to people's lives, and thus the ability to give or withhold said products.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer