What is the Moral Objection to Contraception?

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Are Contraception, Onanism, and Masturbation Immoral?

Contraception, Onanism, and Masturbation are All Immoral	4%	[ 1 ]
Only Contraception and Onanism are Immoral	0%	[ 0 ]
Only Contraception and Masturbation are Immoral	0%	[ 0 ]
Only Onanism and Masturbation are Immoral	0%	[ 0 ]
Only Contraception is Immoral	0%	[ 0 ]
Only Onanism is Immoral	0%	[ 0 ]
Only Masturbation is Immoral	0%	[ 0 ]
Contraception, Onanism, and Masturbation are All Moral	96%	[ 27 ]

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05 Feb 2012, 11:28 am

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A priest was taking a shortcut through an alley one day and came upon a young boy who was masturbating. "My son, you shouldn't be doing that", said the priest. "You should be saving that for when you get married." The embarrassed boy hung his head down low and simply said "Yes, Father."

About 10 years later the priest was in his study when a young man, in his early twenties came in. "Yes, my son?" said the priest. "Father, you may not remember me, but about 10 years ago you caught me masturbating in an alley, and I'll never forget the advice you gave then."

"And what was that, my son?" "Well, you told me that what I was doing was wrong and I should be saving it for when I get married", said the young man. "That sounds like something I probably would have said" said the priest.

"Did you take my advice?" "Yes I did, Father; but there's only one problem." "What's that, my son?" "Well, I have a 55 gallon drum full of the stuff in the back of my pickup truck. Now that I am getting married what am I supposed to do with it?"

I almost busted a gut laughing after reading that! :lol:

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05 Feb 2012, 12:33 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOsZpOft3Dc[/youtube]

The speaker does make a good, practical point that it is potentially more dangerous for an unmarried woman to masturbate than for a man.

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05 Feb 2012, 12:41 pm

Here is Oral Roberts on the subject

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKM2p8NLv1w[/youtube]

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06 Feb 2012, 7:36 am

pandabear wrote:

Here is Oral Roberts on the subject

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKM2p8NLv1w[/youtube]

Thank God WP is back on line!

It's funny Oral asked that part of his sex rant be stricken from the tape. I think just about the whole thing should have been erased!
Lordy; if evangelicals really follow his advice, then they truly must have dull sex lives. :lol:

It was kinda funny how he pronounced orifices and anus, though.

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06 Feb 2012, 8:35 am

It looks like a lot of people in Japan are losing interest in sex

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=116w5U3QnbA&feature=g-all-a&list=PLCE9D8DC3ABCD8DE7&context=G2c5989eFAAAAAAAACAA[/youtube]

This is the goal of the Catholic Church, isn't it? Everyone is supposed to be perfectly asexual, and only engage in coitus as a civic duty, after marriage, to produce children.

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06 Feb 2012, 12:53 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqk_NOr5tos[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tRHKLOyIQE[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv5ShJ_E12s[/youtube]

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06 Feb 2012, 1:56 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1bcufhyJwk[/youtube]

It strikes me that the world is a crazy place, but that Catholics and Repugnicans are doubly crazy.

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06 Feb 2012, 2:05 pm

pandabear wrote:

This is the goal of the Catholic Church, isn't it? Everyone is supposed to be perfectly asexual, and only engage in coitus as a civic duty, after marriage, to produce children.

But then people wouldn't "sin", which puts the church out of business

People are supposed to "sin" and feel utterly miserable for having a little innocent fun every once in a while. That's what pays the salaries of priests and other people who are utterly useless (or even harmful) to society.

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06 Feb 2012, 4:06 pm

CrazyCatLord wrote:

But then people wouldn't "sin", which puts the church out of business

Good point.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91dRZtvGRiU[/youtube]

If you're using contraceptives, they want you to keep going to church (but no communion), so that they can talk you out of it, and so that they can go on collecting their tithes and offerings.

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06 Feb 2012, 5:00 pm

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blauSamstag wrote:

Granted I've never been married, let alone a married mormon, but if there is mormon doctrine against the use of contraception, it's news to me.

Apparently, contraception and masturbation are frowned upon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... cs_1.shtml

Contraception isn't formally banned, but you still have to have as many kids as possible. I noticed that Mormons and Catholics tend to try to outbreed everyone else, and jumped to the conclusion that Mormons also won't touch contraceptives.

Maybe because Catholic priests have to be celibate, they think that married couples shouldn't touch each other, either, unless they are seeking to produce a child. Mormon church leaders get to marry, so they may be more liberal about married people satisfying each other carnally.

Well, like i said, i never heard of it.

I did once receive a sunday school lesson about maintaining chastity within marriage, but i think the guy teaching me was presenting the council he received from his bishop as doctrine.

Mormons believe that the universe was created sexually (though vague on whether actual naughtybits were involved), so, you know, this could go either way.

Mormons are told to go forth and multiply, but i don't think that's to the exclusion of fun time.

There are whole books on mormon sexuality, written by mormons. I do not intend to read them.

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06 Feb 2012, 5:22 pm

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Then why oppose contraception? There are two use scenarios I can think for contraception right now.
a) Couple has sex without marriage thus they want to avoid babies and STDs - Since they hare having sex outside of marriage, they are not Catholic and thus the Church should just STFU.
b) Couple has sex inside marriage but doesn't want kids any more. They are inside marriage and thus it is ok for them to have sex...

Catholic dogma can't be reasoned with; it just is. Catholic dogma more or less teaches that sex is this icky thing you should only do to make babies and not for pleasure. Now Pope John Paul II wrote a whole book about sexuality within marriage being something glorious, but he wasn't referring to the orgasm.

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06 Feb 2012, 5:40 pm

I think there should have been another option, that Masturbation and Contraception are neither moral or immoral. It depends on context. I mean, yah, if you're masturbating under a rain poncho in a crowded movie theatre or bus, then yes, that's immoral. Whether you're using contraception or not when you're having intermarriatal sex, then yeah, its immoral.

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06 Feb 2012, 6:10 pm

NeantHumain wrote:

Now Pope John Paul II wrote a whole book about sexuality within marriage being something glorious, but he wasn't referring to the orgasm.

What would he know about sexuality? Enough for a whole book? It must be the driest, dullest book ever written.

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06 Feb 2012, 6:49 pm

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What The Young Turks hadn't mentioned is countering the "herbivore men" are what are called "carnivore girls," who are reputed to be hyper-sexual. I say, get those guys together with these chicks, and everyone will be happy!

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06 Feb 2012, 7:05 pm

I'm with Bill.

Give em some condoms and let 'em screw their brains out. It'll make the world a better place.

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07 Feb 2012, 12:25 am

I just talked to a real mormon who is married, he says the mormon church is ok with contraception, even plan b, but not the abortion pill.

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