Mens Rights Movement

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As a feminist I support all genders with equality. I've even supported men who do not wish to go to war or be denied parental rights simply because of their gender not their actions. However every time I see men's rights, I'm seeing an awful lot of bashing on feminists as if every female is wanting priveledge rather than equality. Most of it or what their opinion on where a woman's place is in society makes me sick to my stomach. My family has had many males....alcholic and who have not worked. On the other hand many of the females have had to work and while they ain't all saints neither are the men but it is funny to see this gold digging stereotype still hyped to this day. My sister is having to take care of 3 children whom she rarely gets to see due to her long hours in work which makes very little as a nurse. Her divorced husband meanwhile doesn't work and his mom supports him. She gets no child support by him and our family feels this is wrong. You would think at least his mother, their grandmother, would at least be sympathetic. Anyway I've never been good with academia debates but I just thought I tell you my own personal thoughts about this issue. I use to be one of those females who shunned from the word feminist since I was taught by my own father who never supported my mother that it meant women hated men and in this day and age women want power over men. Then there is the biological debate that women get to leave their work when they're pregnant with a child, which btw none of my family has encountered and which among other reasons I'm not having children. Anyway it's interesting when people feel threatened especially in the West about the power of women. I don't like sexist women who think all men should be this or that just as I don't like men who think women the same. Not all of us fit so neatly into those gender pigeonholes that society or people put us in. We are people just like you and we also are capable of suffering if you didn't already learn history from discrimination in both work places and in our roles in families. Even my old old great great grandmother had to work but for much less than her husband.


Anyway just my 2 cents. I know this is a serious debate forum but I couldn't help but participate in my unprofessional way.

your points were well made, MissConstrue.

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What I've found today is that masculists, as they sometimes call themselves, are the actual equal rights activists, whereas those who identify as feminists are simply female superiority advocates.
The people I've met who identified as feminists seemed, in further discussion, to adhere to ideas that were either outdated or completely false.

If it's equality that's wanted, women's rights should be cut back a bit and men's rights advanced, at least in many western societies.
At the moment, men are expected to show a type of respect they aren't expected to see returned even if they're not interested, then ask a woman out, then pay, then pay some more, then propose marriage, then pay some more, then provide, then have children only if the woman wants to. If it goes wrong, the woman usually gets to decide what happens, and the woman can decide to cut off the man's contact with his children.
He is expected, though, often with penalties when he fails, to meet financial demands in order to provide for children he's hardly allowed to even speak to.
Meanwhile, women are the subject of 'positive discrimination', which in essence means men are supposed to be refused jobs if a woman is anywhere near as qualified and applies.

If my government decides to reintroduce an active draft, they can tell all men to pick up a gun, or possibly a stick due to lack of material, and get a nice one-way trip to whatever barren hole our government's good friends in the United States decide to invade for oil. We can get some nice post-traumatic stress disorders and lost limbs, if we live at all. Women have the right to join the military, but they are not the subject of any such responsbilities.
Honestly, if I haven't already, I feel like burning that damn letter reminding me of my lack of refusal rights and handing the ashes to one of those self-proclaimed feminists. 'twould be the first time they saw such a letter.

On those matters, of course, people who want 'equal rights' for women are mindnumbingly quiet.
Women are apparently supposed to be equal (or, 'to change their position in the workplace, more equal') when it comes to rights, but 'different' when it comes to responsibilities.

^Women have responsibilities that men don't have. Think of everything that goes into maintaining a household and raising children, One of the main things I'm concerned about as a feminist is actually getting men more parental leave. I want to involve men in the lives of their children more. I believe that this will be one of the biggest things to ever happen that would erode patriarchy in society.

Also, please give me an example of these female supremacist feminists you have met.

^^^i am starting to think that we simply don't exist. i keep reading posts that summarise what we supposedly must believe as feminists, but in spite of our protestations we are still being generalised into a nonexistent box. not sure why people are not listening to what we are actually saying.

them: "feminists want _X_"
us: "different feminists want different things. very few extremists want _X_, but most feminists (including me) want _Y_"
them: "feminists want _X_"