Another Obama Attack on the Second Amendment!

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It's interesting to me that no one has a clue that the states were given the power to keep the federal government from doing what they do...gathering power until there is so much stress throughout the system everything collapses. (Every empire, dictator, regime, etc in history is pretty good evidence lol.) According to the vague, dreamlike stupor Americans are in the founding fathers are paranoid conspiracy theorists and giving a few thousand men in the world the ability to control all arms, commodities, water rights, everything as well as the ability to define all enemies no questions asked is totally sane and intelligent behavior. Pretty sad they could learn so much from a history book and they never bother.

This really isn't the place to get into all of this. So I'll just address a few of your points. First:
Source: Greenhouse gas emissions from private vehicles, see page 8, as numbered by Adobe reader (not numbers on bottom of page).

These stats are, of course, from Canada. We use a lot of hydropower up here, so our emissions from electricity production should be lower than those in the USA. (Although we have higher emissions per capita overall, so maybe that's not the case).


I never said anything about maglev--it's still way too expensive. I'm just talking about conventional high speed rail. Once again, I'm thinking in terms of Canada (since it's what I know best) and for the time being it would really only be practical in the Quebec-Ontario region (there have been studies showing it could be done, if we were willing to invest the capital). Those provinces get most of their electricity from hydro and nuclear, both of which are relatively emissions free (yes, I know, you need to transport fuel to the nuclear power plant). Saving through increasing efficiency in other sectors would hopefully be enough to offset the increase in usage by high speed rail.


And yet some people keep driving them... But I was more referring to air travel in any case. Although I do like the idea of doing what European cities do and charging a toll for private vehicles to enter the city centre. The toll is then invested into transit infrastructure.

If you want to continue this discussion then you're welcome to copy this stuff into the Global Sustainability thread.

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Nobody messes with my bear arms

I like my guns but don't like baseball cards.

Typical Liberal nitpicking.

The definition of ordnance is



Ordnance is a subset of arms.

If our Founding Fathers did not want people and militias to have access to ordnance, then our Founding Fathers would have specified this exclusion in the Second Amendment.

Prohibiting the sale of ordnance to people represents an infringement. The Founding Fathers were quite clear: there shall be NO INFRINGEMENT on the rights of people to keep and bear arms. When subsequent generations of politicians, who think that they know better than our Founding Fathers, start putting infringements upon our rights, that will only lead to Communism.

Cars and guns must be both exclusive for trained personal. They are completely useless for noobs and end up killing innocents. Most people just don't have the capacity to be driving cars. If you like to play cop or taxi driver just open a computer game window.

Requiring training would represent an infringement, and lead to communism.

One is a licensed privileged and the other is a constitutional right; big difference.


I have both and haven't killed anyone with them. Or have they done this on their own?


I don't know (or particularly care) what country you're from but here we have these things called jobs and no other way to get there for the most part. The ability to be able to go wherever whenever, in addition to work, is something you apparently have no grasp of, either......

Are you sure it's most people or is it what I call a "significant minority" of people? Even 10% of people being idiotic drivers may seem like a majority since 1 out of every 10 cars you come across is still pretty common.

You haven't had your first kill yet? You must be a pretty lousy shot.



We also have things called feet, bicycles and buses.

Not to point any fingers or anything but the word "troll" keeps re-playing over and over in my mind.....

Ah, so....does this cover nuclear weapons?

A neighborhood watch in FuttBuckie, Texas is incomplete without at least one thermonuclear weapon in addition to Stinger missiles and automatic weapons

What about fully automatic rubber band machine guns?

Now you're cookin with gas