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09 Jun 2012, 8:47 pm

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God is not a dictator

It does seem like an authoritarian regime.

When was the last time a vote prevented him of continuing with a decision?


Of course a atheist would have this view how ever members of a religion do not agree with this. Statement it is a very poor opinion the way I see God is this. I see him as a father not a dictator nor is my religion a authoritarian regime. That is something a infidel/non believer thinks not the religious.

Well, most people under authoritarian regimes harbor such feelings for their leaders too.


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09 Jun 2012, 8:48 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
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God is not a dictator

It does seem like an authoritarian regime.

When was the last time a vote prevented him of continuing with a decision?


Of course a atheist would have this view how ever members of a religion do not agree with this. Statement it is a very poor opinion the way I see God is this. I see him as a father not a dictator nor is my religion a authoritarian regime. That is something a infidel/non believer thinks not the religious.

So, How do the people in Syria that support Assad feel about him again?


Which version are you referring to the christian or Muslim verison we don't all see God the same way.



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09 Jun 2012, 8:50 pm

Is your relationship with god really like a father and son thing?

I love my father, but we have had our disagreements and at times he learned from me and changed his mind about stuff. Can you make God change his mind?


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09 Jun 2012, 8:54 pm

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Is your relationship with god really like a father and son thing?

I love my father, but we have had our disagreements and at times he learned from me and changed his mind about stuff. Can you make God change his mind?


Sure I don't always agree with his laws. And I am not sure if he does change his mind but I am sure that he does.

You didn't answer my question btw.



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09 Jun 2012, 8:56 pm

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All dictators want to appear as a father figure, the ultimate alpha-male


But I do not view God as a dictator I mean if some one is such a atheist why have a opinon on something they do not believe in?


Perhaps we should rephrase "dictator" with "All-mighty" "He who must be Obeyed" etc

I find it humorous that many theists fall back to the "Well why do you care if you don't believe" argument. That shouldn't be too hard to figure out for yourself


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09 Jun 2012, 8:57 pm

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All dictators want to appear as a father figure, the ultimate alpha-male


But I do not view God as a dictator I mean if some one is such a atheist why have a opinon on something they do not believe in?


Perhaps we should rephrase "dictator" with "All-mighty" "He who must be Obeyed" etc

I find it humorous that many theists fall back to the "Well why do you care if you don't believe" argument. That shouldn't be too hard to figure out for yourself


I mean my religion is not keeping you from living your life.



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09 Jun 2012, 9:00 pm

It does not mean we can't discuss it

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And I am not sure if he does change his mind but I am sure that he does.

What?

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You didn't answer my question btw.


Muslim, Christian, Jewish views all seem to have an authoritarian god.


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09 Jun 2012, 9:01 pm

Joker wrote:
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All dictators want to appear as a father figure, the ultimate alpha-male


But I do not view God as a dictator I mean if some one is such a atheist why have a opinon on something they do not believe in?


Perhaps we should rephrase "dictator" with "All-mighty" "He who must be Obeyed" etc

I find it humorous that many theists fall back to the "Well why do you care if you don't believe" argument. That shouldn't be too hard to figure out for yourself


I mean my religion is not keeping you from living your life.


Given the chance through the authority they desire to wield your religious compatriots would kill me gladly and call it "His Will"


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09 Jun 2012, 9:04 pm

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It does not mean we can't discuss it

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And I am not sure if he does change his mind but I am sure that he does.

What?

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You didn't answer my question btw.


Muslim, Christian, Jewish views all seem to have an authoritarian god.


Not true at all no no we do not share the same views of his character and only Christians call him God Muslims call him Allah Jews call him something else this is a classic atheist mistake.



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09 Jun 2012, 9:05 pm

Father-son relation ship is dictatorial when the son is very young. But as time progresses it changes from that. The father has to give up some authority gradually. Until there is a moment the son becomes completely responsible of himself. Thus father and son relationship is to me a progress of gradually learning with the overall objective of the son becoming a parent himself.

Even so, the same thing seems to happen outside of families whenever there is a relationship that to us seems fatherly. For example, mentor - apprentice relationship has similar stuff, with an objective of the apprentice eventually becoming independent and what not.

From this perspective outside of religion, God does not seem like a father figure.

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Edit: In fact, God does not even sound like a father in his relationship with Jesus. Jesus is at his 33 but still seems more like a slave to God the father than a son.


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09 Jun 2012, 9:05 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
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All dictators want to appear as a father figure, the ultimate alpha-male


But I do not view God as a dictator I mean if some one is such a atheist why have a opinon on something they do not believe in?


Perhaps we should rephrase "dictator" with "All-mighty" "He who must be Obeyed" etc

I find it humorous that many theists fall back to the "Well why do you care if you don't believe" argument. That shouldn't be too hard to figure out for yourself


I mean my religion is not keeping you from living your life.


Given the chance through the authority they desire to wield your religious compatriots would kill me gladly and call it "His Will"


Given that their are some coutries in the world that hate theists they would kill us gladly and call it a poltical killing.



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09 Jun 2012, 9:07 pm

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Not true at all no no we do not share the same views of his character and only Christians call him God Muslims call him Allah Jews call him something else this is a classic atheist mistake.

You do not have the same views. But it does not change that the three views coincide in an absolutist authoritarian god, pick whatever name you want.


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09 Jun 2012, 9:08 pm

Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
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All dictators want to appear as a father figure, the ultimate alpha-male


But I do not view God as a dictator I mean if some one is such a atheist why have a opinon on something they do not believe in?


Perhaps we should rephrase "dictator" with "All-mighty" "He who must be Obeyed" etc

I find it humorous that many theists fall back to the "Well why do you care if you don't believe" argument. That shouldn't be too hard to figure out for yourself


I mean my religion is not keeping you from living your life.


Given the chance through the authority they desire to wield your religious compatriots would kill me gladly and call it "His Will"


Given that their are some coutries in the world that hate theists they would kill us gladly and call it a poltical killing.


Which countries are those? North Korea? They have their own brand of theism called "Dear Leader", a father figure there to take care of everybody, just in his decision making, able to appear in two places simultaneously- not all that different from your God


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09 Jun 2012, 9:10 pm

Vigilans wrote:
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Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
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All dictators want to appear as a father figure, the ultimate alpha-male


But I do not view God as a dictator I mean if some one is such a atheist why have a opinon on something they do not believe in?


Perhaps we should rephrase "dictator" with "All-mighty" "He who must be Obeyed" etc

I find it humorous that many theists fall back to the "Well why do you care if you don't believe" argument. That shouldn't be too hard to figure out for yourself


I mean my religion is not keeping you from living your life.


Given the chance through the authority they desire to wield your religious compatriots would kill me gladly and call it "His Will"


Given that their are some coutries in the world that hate theists they would kill us gladly and call it a poltical killing.


Which countries are those? North Korea? They have their own brand of theism called "Dear Leader", a father figure there to take care of everybody, just in his decision making, able to appear in two places simultaneously- not all that different from your God


They worship the leader of North Korea and parts of China Vietnam Hati North Africa in the middel east where christians die in the name of their faith.

NO NO not at all like my God.



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09 Jun 2012, 9:12 pm

^ Sure, it is not like any Christian ever killed someone from another faith in the name of the Christian faith.


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09 Jun 2012, 9:13 pm

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^ Sure, it is not like any Christian ever killed someone from another faith in the name of the Christian faith.


Never claimed they didn't smarty pants.