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20 Jul 2012, 12:46 pm

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That Jim Holmes is somebody completely different, 52 year old man and of no relation. This shooter was not a Tea Party member AFAIK.

I read there's another guy who joined last year named James Holmes that could be this guy. But I can see why the Tea Party would distance themselves from James Holmes after this. They won't want to admit he was ever interested in their organization even if he was and will work on damage control intensely so that no one will ever know if the James Holmes of Aurora, Colorado was ever interested in the tea party instead of just admitting bad apples are sometimes attracted to their movement. One of the guys named James Holmes on the Tea Party Patriot's website lived in Aurora Colorado.



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20 Jul 2012, 12:49 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
That Jim Holmes is somebody completely different, 52 year old man and of no relation. This shooter was not a Tea Party member AFAIK.

I read there's another guy who joined last year named James Holmes that could be this guy. But I can see why the Tea Party would distance themselves from James Holmes after this. They won't want to admit he was ever interested in their organization even if he was and will work on damage control intensely so that no one will ever know if the James Holmes of Aurora, Colorado was ever interested in the tea party instead of just admitting bad apples are sometimes attracted to their movement. One of the guys named James Holmes on the Tea Party Patriot's website lived in Aurora Colorado.


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ABC News and Brian Ross are apologizing for an "incorrect" report that James Holmes, the suspect in the Colorado theater shooting, may have had connections to the Tea Party.

"An earlier ABC News broadcast report suggested that a Jim Holmes of a Colorado Tea Party organization might be the suspect, but that report was incorrect," ABC News said in a statement. "ABC News and Brian Ross apologize for the mistake, and for disseminating that information before it was properly vetted."

In a similar statement released minutes earlier, ABC News said the report was "incorrect" but did not include the apology. "Several other local residents with similar names were also contacted via social media by members of the public who mistook them for the suspect," the initial statement read.


Just a coincidence. It's not the same guy. Please don't repeat something that isn't true.



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20 Jul 2012, 12:54 pm

There are TWO MEN named James Holmes on the Tea Party Patriots website. One guy is 52 yo and he obviously isn't the shooter but the other James Holmes joined last year, lives in Aurora, Colorado. No one can confirm he isn't the shooter. I cannot confirm it isn't true and how will anyone ever know anyway because if it is true, the Tea Party will make sure nobody ever finds out when they should be transparent.



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20 Jul 2012, 1:02 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
There are TWO MEN named James Holmes on the Tea Party Patriots website. One guy is 52 yo and he obviously isn't the shooter but the other James Holmes joined last year, lives in Aurora, Colorado. No one can confirm he isn't the shooter.


The 52 year old lives in Aurora, CO. ABC has retracted their story and apologized. Stop repeating this to push your own political views.



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20 Jul 2012, 1:05 pm

Jacoby wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
There are TWO MEN named James Holmes on the Tea Party Patriots website. One guy is 52 yo and he obviously isn't the shooter but the other James Holmes joined last year, lives in Aurora, Colorado. No one can confirm he isn't the shooter.


The 52 year old lives in Aurora, CO. ABC has retracted their story and apologized. Stop repeating this to push your own political views.

I am not pushing a political view. I am pushing for honesty in the media. Yes, there was a mistake made in regard to the 52 year old man and ABC has apologized and retracted. However, there is another James Holmes who posted on the TPP website from Aurora Colorado and why should I or the media pretend like he doesn't exist and that he never posted on their website? Why should the media ignore him and not investigate who he is?



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20 Jul 2012, 1:14 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
There are TWO MEN named James Holmes on the Tea Party Patriots website. One guy is 52 yo and he obviously isn't the shooter but the other James Holmes joined last year, lives in Aurora, Colorado. No one can confirm he isn't the shooter.


The 52 year old lives in Aurora, CO. ABC has retracted their story and apologized. Stop repeating this to push your own political views.

I am not pushing a political view. I am pushing for honesty in the media. Yes, there was a mistake made in regard to the 52 year old man and ABC has apologized and retracted. However, there is another James Holmes who posted on the TPP website from Aurora Colorado and why should I or the media pretend like he doesn't exist and that he never posted on their website? Why should the media ignore him and not investigate who he is?


There is only 1 person on their website. You are misinterpreting whatever information you have read. No credible media source is reporting this and ABC news has retracted and apologized for their story. If there was any connection what so ever it would be all over the news so please don't try to act like you are being some open media advocate. Repeating a false story about this tragedy for the purpose of pushing your own political views is disgraceful.



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20 Jul 2012, 1:21 pm

The question remains, how can anyone know who is a member of the Tea Party and who isn't? Is their membership list public information or private?



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20 Jul 2012, 1:26 pm

No. The question is why he did this, and the answer is that he's the only one who knows that.
No speculation. Not about his political ideology, not about his opinion on gun ownership, and not about his social life.



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20 Jul 2012, 1:32 pm

It is just facts about him so that people know about his life. The public already know several facts about him, anyway, that no one is trying to cover up. The facts I know already do not lead me to believe bad things about other people who may have similar facts about their lives. I don't believe all PhD candidates or students of Colorado University are going to go on shooting rampages just because this guy did. It's more important to focus on what they are saying, not where they went to school or how many friends they have or if they are members of the Tea Party or Green Peace. So, why is it so terrible to just be allowed to find out facts about someone who does something like this?

People are curious about the information.



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20 Jul 2012, 1:37 pm

When this guy undergoes psychological analysis, I have no doubt he'll be found to be an untreated paranoid schizophrenic.

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20 Jul 2012, 1:42 pm

I think he is just a rich kid who wasn't capable of the difficult advanced degree classes and he couldn't face this reality. Probably over confident and narcissistic so it obliterates his psyche when he realizes the classes are really tough. Probably spent all his life hearing how great and smart he is and never failed before. That's what I think pushed him over the edge. Some people cannot cope with failure in their lives because they never had failure in their lives.

I saw a picture of him taken during high school in the news. He is very clean cut and bright eyed.



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20 Jul 2012, 1:45 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
So, why is it so terrible to just be allowed to find out facts about someone who does something like this?


It's not bad to find out information. However, you didn't find out information.
You gathered some false information and drew a conclusion about a supposed right-wing motivation.

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I think he is just a rich kid who wasn't capable of the difficult advanced degree classes and he couldn't face this reality. Probably over confident and narcissistic so it's obliterates his psyche when he realizes the classes are really tough. Probably spent all his life hearing how great and smart he is and never had to fail before. That's what I think pushed him over the edge. Some people cannot cope with failure in their lives because they never had failure in their lives.


Here we go again. Now it's the rich.
Soon, we'll be blaming rubber duckies.



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20 Jul 2012, 1:47 pm

HisDivineMajesty wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
So, why is it so terrible to just be allowed to find out facts about someone who does something like this?


It's not bad to find out information. However, you didn't find out information.
You gathered some false information and drew a conclusion about a supposed right-wing motivation.

not typing that name in the quote screen again wrote:
I think he is just a rich kid who wasn't capable of the difficult advanced degree classes and he couldn't face this reality. Probably over confident and narcissistic so it's obliterates his psyche when he realizes the classes are really tough. Probably spent all his life hearing how great and smart he is and never had to fail before. That's what I think pushed him over the edge. Some people cannot cope with failure in their lives because they never had failure in their lives.


Here we go again. Now it's the rich.
Soon, we'll be blaming rubber duckies.

I was misled by dishonesty in the media and that is what I am complaining about. I still wish the Tea Party disclosed who, exactly, is in their organization. Nobody knows for sure if the James Holmes who did the shooting is a member because no one knows who the members are. Why can't people know?

Who is blaming the rich? I saw the neighborhood where James Holmes grew up in San Diego. It's posh. It's just another fact about him but mention a fact and people think you are blaming "all the rich people."



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20 Jul 2012, 1:50 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
The question remains, how can anyone know who is a member of the Tea Party and who isn't? Is their membership list public information or private?


The Tea Party isn't actual political party or organization. If he was active in movement he probably would be known the same way somebody would know if somebody was a member of the Occupy movement, these are protest groups that are quite public.

There's no way to determine what James Holmes privately held political beliefs are at this point if he had any at all. It seems that this guy has no known web presence. I



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20 Jul 2012, 1:52 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
When this guy undergoes psychological analysis, I have no doubt he'll be found to be an untreated paranoid schizophrenic.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I doubt it considering studies say schizophrenic people are actually more dangerous to themselves than others typically, lets not stereotype people with schizophrenia as people who go on shooting rampages as it is inaccurate and I doubt people with that disorder need any more stupid stigma.


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20 Jul 2012, 1:53 pm

Jacoby wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
The question remains, how can anyone know who is a member of the Tea Party and who isn't? Is their membership list public information or private?


The Tea Party isn't actual political party or organization. If he was active in movement he probably would be known the same way somebody would know if somebody was a member of the Occupy movement, these are protest groups that are quite public.

There's no way to determine what James Holmes privately held political beliefs are at this point if he had any at all. It seems that this guy has no known web presence. I


If it is proven he is in the Occupy movement, I'd say the same thing. Nobody knows if he is or isn't, just like with the Tea Party but people are not as worried about him being associated with it. Just list it as something about him without trying to cover it up so people won't think, "all the Occupiers are like that." It''s ridiculous to think that every person in an movement are exactly the same.

The media should get their facts straight before reporting, though.