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What should his sentence be?
Death 38%  38%  [ 11 ]
Prison 62%  62%  [ 18 ]
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21 Jul 2012, 9:39 pm

Ah yes, the peaceful countries of Turkey and Saudi Arabia. :roll:



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21 Jul 2012, 10:01 pm

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This serves to embolden would-be killers into not fearing the consequences of their actions whereas in Turkey or Saudi Arabia they know all too well that not only will they be caught, they will be publicly executed in a brutal fashion.


The Netherlands. A criminal justice system largely unpopular because it has punished politically-motivated murder by less than twenty years in jail with a chance of parole after serving three quarters of that. Homicide rate: 0.86

Turkey. A criminal justice system that's still rather arbitrary, unfair and doesn't come near any European standards. What I should mention, though, is that the 'publicly executed' thing is quite wrong. In fact, Turkey has already abolished capital punishment altogether, the last execution being in 1984. The homicide rate, although in a steady drop, was 3.8. To the sharp observing eye: more than three times that in the Netherlands.

Saudi Arabia, which is the Middle East's crazy witch hunter, has a higher homicide rate than a country that, until recently, did not allow for life sentences.



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21 Jul 2012, 10:29 pm

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This serves to embolden would-be killers into not fearing the consequences of their actions whereas in Turkey or Saudi Arabia they know all too well that not only will they be caught, they will be publicly executed in a brutal fashion.


The Netherlands. A criminal justice system largely unpopular because it has punished politically-motivated murder by less than twenty years in jail with a chance of parole after serving three quarters of that. Homicide rate: 0.86

Turkey. A criminal justice system that's still rather arbitrary, unfair and doesn't come near any European standards. What I should mention, though, is that the 'publicly executed' thing is quite wrong. In fact, Turkey has already abolished capital punishment altogether, the last execution being in 1984. The homicide rate, although in a steady drop, was 3.8. To the sharp observing eye: more than three times that in the Netherlands.

Saudi Arabia, which is the Middle East's crazy witch hunter, has a higher homicide rate than a country that, until recently, did not allow for life sentences.



And what is Saudi Arabia's homicide rate, pray tell? And please cite your sources.


You do realize, do you not, that part of the low homicide rate in the Netherlands is due to the small population size, the social welfare, and the relative homogeneity of the population? Also, violent crime in western Europe has been increasing dramatically in the last 10 years despite the lack of capital punishment and civilian firearm ownership!



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21 Jul 2012, 10:40 pm

Given the current system, prison. Why pay more?


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21 Jul 2012, 10:42 pm

I'm reminded of a picture I found on the internet where after Chinese officers rescued the hostages, they shot and killed the terrorist. The price of execution? The price of a bullet. I'm not saying I want that here in the USA but damn why are we paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill someone?


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21 Jul 2012, 10:44 pm

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What I am saying is that corrective rape is not cool.


Thank you. This isn't Aspierogue's first rodeo on the subject either, you might even say he has a bit of a thing for homosexual prison rape.


Accurate; buttsecksrape seems to occupy a special place in AR's heart as a fix-all solution


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21 Jul 2012, 10:44 pm

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I'm reminded of a picture I found on the internet where after Chinese officers rescued the hostages, they shot and killed the terrorist. The price of execution? The price of a bullet. I'm not saying I want that here in the USA but damn why are we paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill someone?


Beats me. And people that support spending all this money on imprisoning more people complain about their taxes! LOL



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21 Jul 2012, 10:49 pm

bizboy1 wrote:
I'm reminded of a picture I found on the internet where after Chinese officers rescued the hostages, they shot and killed the terrorist. The price of execution? The price of a bullet. I'm not saying I want that here in the USA but damn why are we paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill someone?


The real price is not the cost of the bullet. It is democracy, due process and legalism that pay the cost for on the fly justice. Guilty until proven innocent? You may enjoy Mexico; or not.


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21 Jul 2012, 10:51 pm

Vigilans wrote:
bizboy1 wrote:
I'm reminded of a picture I found on the internet where after Chinese officers rescued the hostages, they shot and killed the terrorist. The price of execution? The price of a bullet. I'm not saying I want that here in the USA but damn why are we paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill someone?


The real price is not the cost of the bullet. It is democracy, due process and legalism that pay the cost for on the fly justice. Guilty until proven innocent? You may enjoy Mexico; or not.


A person holding hostages with a fatal instrument such as a gun or a blade is pretty much guilty as charged.
It's not like a murder case that goes on out of the public eye. It's a live situation.



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21 Jul 2012, 11:05 pm

JanuaryMan wrote:
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bizboy1 wrote:
I'm reminded of a picture I found on the internet where after Chinese officers rescued the hostages, they shot and killed the terrorist. The price of execution? The price of a bullet. I'm not saying I want that here in the USA but damn why are we paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill someone?


The real price is not the cost of the bullet. It is democracy, due process and legalism that pay the cost for on the fly justice. Guilty until proven innocent? You may enjoy Mexico; or not.


A person holding hostages with a fatal instrument such as a gun or a blade is pretty much guilty as charged.
It's not like a murder case that goes on out of the public eye. It's a live situation.


If law enforcement is in a position where they have to use deadly force then so it is. But I am talking about the example bixboy1 gave, where the perpetrator/s was killed by police after the scene was completely secured. He was executed without due process, which is not justice. If we open the door for instant mob justice based on specific circumstances we will find that door swings quite freely on its hinges.


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21 Jul 2012, 11:14 pm

Vigilans wrote:
JanuaryMan wrote:
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bizboy1 wrote:
I'm reminded of a picture I found on the internet where after Chinese officers rescued the hostages, they shot and killed the terrorist. The price of execution? The price of a bullet. I'm not saying I want that here in the USA but damn why are we paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill someone?


The real price is not the cost of the bullet. It is democracy, due process and legalism that pay the cost for on the fly justice. Guilty until proven innocent? You may enjoy Mexico; or not.


A person holding hostages with a fatal instrument such as a gun or a blade is pretty much guilty as charged.
It's not like a murder case that goes on out of the public eye. It's a live situation.


If law enforcement is in a position where they have to use deadly force then so it is. But I am talking about the example bixboy1 gave, where the perpetrator/s was killed by police after the scene was completely secured. He was executed without due process, which is not justice. If we open the door for instant mob justice based on specific circumstances we will find that door swings quite freely on its hinges.


On that point I would agree. I just wish someone was able to take him out before they found him in his car chillaxin', it would have saved the American people a lot of grief and discussion.



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22 Jul 2012, 12:25 am

Vigilans wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
HisDivineMajesty wrote:
What I am saying is that corrective rape is not cool.


Thank you. This isn't Aspierogue's first rodeo on the subject either, you might even say he has a bit of a thing for homosexual prison rape.


Accurate; buttsecksrape seems to occupy a special place in AR's heart as a fix-all solution



So? I honestly think I made a pretty good case as to why people who commit such extreme offenses like this really don't deserve to be treated with mercy. :wink:

Violence is motivated by the desire for power and dominance. People who carry out this kind of violent behavior do not seem to respect anything other than pure force. Showing empathy to them only emboldens them and teaches them that harming others is a way to win admiration and respect.



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22 Jul 2012, 1:04 am

Considering that this happened Friday morning and I'm assuming you weren't in the theater, you only know what you've been told by the news. Why not wait until the trial to find out the details that the Police and Feds are withholding during the course of the investigation. They do that to ensure crazy vengeful crackpots don't spin tales that further confuse the situation.
None of us know the facts. That's what trials are for. Also, that's what's supposedly so great about our system. You know, that thing we're fighting the terrorists for. Just our way of life.
Think of it like John Adams defending the British soldiers where involved in the Boston Massacre. The goal is to give everyone, guilty or innocent, the best defense possible..



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22 Jul 2012, 1:25 am

AspieRogue wrote:
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Dox47 wrote:
HisDivineMajesty wrote:
What I am saying is that corrective rape is not cool.


Thank you. This isn't Aspierogue's first rodeo on the subject either, you might even say he has a bit of a thing for homosexual prison rape.


Accurate; buttsecksrape seems to occupy a special place in AR's heart as a fix-all solution



So? I honestly think I made a pretty good case as to why people who commit such extreme offenses like this really don't deserve to be treated with mercy. :wink:

Violence is motivated by the desire for power and dominance. People who carry out this kind of violent behavior do not seem to respect anything other than pure force. Showing empathy to them only emboldens them and teaches them that harming others is a way to win admiration and respect.


arent you showing a very vile form of violent reaction right now?

can the same then not be said of you?


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22 Jul 2012, 2:44 am

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arent you showing a very vile form of violent reaction right now?

can the same then not be said of you?


But he wants rape for justice! !


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22 Jul 2012, 2:47 am

Dox47 wrote:
Oodain wrote:
arent you showing a very vile form of violent reaction right now?

can the same then not be said of you?


But he wants rape for justice! !


justice is meaningless when further damage to society has already ben prevented.
nothing but vengeance with an excuse.


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