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20 Aug 2012, 4:13 pm

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If you were truly far right, you wouldn't DREAM of using an image of a conjoined US and Israeli flag pin as your user pic. The far right hates the jews with a passion.


That is true of much of the far-right, yes, but there were far-right parties in Israel, don't forget. Look up the likes of the Kach party or the Apartheid regime in South Africa.

Not all of the far-right is anti-Semitic.


The American New Far Right. The tea party , Ultra conservative radio, etc, tends to be pro-Israel.


But that's largely because they want to be on God's good side when the rapture comes. The far right's association with the evangelical right has made them outwardly appear to be Pro-Jewish, but only because they figure they'll get something out of it from God.

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I think it is quite possible to be pro-Israel and ant-Jewish Hitler was.


I take it you're referring to Hitler's policy of deporting Jews from Germany, where many fled to Israel?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Oh no direct Zionism. Funding groups in the Israel.


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20 Aug 2012, 5:10 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
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If you were truly far right, you wouldn't DREAM of using an image of a conjoined US and Israeli flag pin as your user pic. The far right hates the jews with a passion.


That is true of much of the far-right, yes, but there were far-right parties in Israel, don't forget. Look up the likes of the Kach party or the Apartheid regime in South Africa.

Not all of the far-right is anti-Semitic.


The American New Far Right. The tea party , Ultra conservative radio, etc, tends to be pro-Israel.


But that's largely because they want to be on God's good side when the rapture comes. The far right's association with the evangelical right has made them outwardly appear to be Pro-Jewish, but only because they figure they'll get something out of it from God.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I think it is quite possible to be pro-Israel and ant-Jewish Hitler was.


I take it you're referring to Hitler's policy of deporting Jews from Germany, where many fled to Israel?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Oh no direct Zionism. Funding groups in the Israel.


Really?

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20 Aug 2012, 5:18 pm

I'm a conservative.


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20 Aug 2012, 5:24 pm

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I'm a conservative.


Of the national conservative kind or just a conservative?

Interestingly, I've just had a look at the Constitution Party on Wikipedia and it claims that its social policy is "far-right". I couldn't see any real evidence of this in the explanation. It's very socially conservative and anti-immigration, yes, but that doesn't mean it's far-right.



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20 Aug 2012, 5:44 pm

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I'm a conservative.


Of the national conservative kind or just a conservative?

Interestingly, I've just had a look at the Constitution Party on Wikipedia and it claims that its social policy is "far-right". I couldn't see any real evidence of this in the explanation. It's very socially conservative and anti-immigration, yes, but that doesn't mean it's far-right.


Yes, national conservative would be a good description.


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20 Aug 2012, 8:45 pm

Autistic folks who are Conservative tend to be lower-functioning.



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20 Aug 2012, 8:50 pm

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Autistic folks who are Conservative tend to be lower-functioning.


On what scientifically designed survey do you base this conclusion. I detect unfounded prejudice and bias here.

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20 Aug 2012, 9:00 pm

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Autistic folks who are Conservative tend to be lower-functioning.


I'm a conservative (although of the more radical liberal kind in some ways) but would never vote Conservative.



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20 Aug 2012, 9:52 pm

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Autistic folks who are Conservative tend to be lower-functioning.


Autistic folks who are liberal tend to be douchebags.
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20 Aug 2012, 9:59 pm

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Autistic folks who are Conservative tend to be lower-functioning.


Yeah, LFA is just another word for ret*d...

Really, Panda?

Gonna go there?


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20 Aug 2012, 10:48 pm

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Autistic folks who are Conservative tend to be lower-functioning.


Autistic folks who are liberal tend to be douchebags.
:P


Some may say I resemble that remark. :lol:

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21 Aug 2012, 2:39 am

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I despise libertarianism and extreme individualism, and most Autists I have met online appear (to me) to be libertarians.

I am a far-left socialist. Some socialists are libertarians or anarchists (libertarian socialism or anarcho-socialism). Others are collectivists. I am in the second category.

I don't conceive of politics in terms of individualism vs collectivism but rather egalitarianism vs authoritarianism. Egalitarianism could be considered individualistic in the sense that no one would ideally dominate others, but that requires a respect and compassion for others more stereotypically associated with collectivism. On the opposite side of the spectrum, authoritarian leaders place an extremely high value on their own freedom but want everyone else to bend to their will.

What people refer to as right-wing individualism is really disguised authoritarianism. Right-wing "individualists" don't like to follow democratic society's rules and regulations, but when put in positions of power, they act even more oppressive than the very democratic institutions they vilify. In fact I would go so far as to argue that supposedly selfish and anti-social people in general are extreme authoritarians, as selfishness requires a belief in others' inferiority to our personal selves.

I know I said this earlier in the thread, but I truly believe authoritarianism is evil incarnate. Treating others with respect and fairness, the defining characteristic of moral good, requires regarding them as your equals, whereas mistreatment requires a belief in your own superiority over those you mistreat.

As for whether autistic people are naturally inclined towards egalitarianism or authoritarianism, I honestly don't know. There are plenty of socially aloof people who nonetheless don't have the heart to dominate others and plenty of ostensibly gregarious people who use their social skills to manipulate their perceived inferiors, so one's position on the egalitarian/authoritarian spectrum may not necessarily correlate with one's propensity for regular social interaction. However, the reported tendency for autistic people to side more towards egalitarian ideologies probably has its roots in identifying as social outcasts, whose cause egalitarians have traditionally championed.


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21 Aug 2012, 2:46 am

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Most right-wing Aspies I've seen are libertarian but all in all I've seen that the majority of us are either centre-left or far-left. The left side of the spectrum seems to have the most appeal to us. Hell I even used to be borderline socialist.


The constant focus on individual liberty and the sovereign individual.



This makes perfect sense considering that autists don't have much in common with other people and are under threat by the plebeian masses who want to persecute and destroy us for being "freaks".

What exactly is your definition of collectivism?



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21 Aug 2012, 6:26 am

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Autistic folks who are Conservative tend to be lower-functioning.

Coming from the person who seems rather conservative in another thread I've seen him in, where he purports that only men should work and not letting any women work and staying home will fix this economy. Riiight. As my perception would identify your ideals to be more conservative, this would then be you branding yourself to be lower-functioning as a result.
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Autistic folks who are liberal tend to be douchebags.
:P

Congratulations, you just called a bunch of people in this thread, myself included, a douchebag. Even though you don't really know me (or a lot of others in this thread) as a person. :lol: Are you feeling special yet? :wink:



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21 Aug 2012, 8:08 am

musicforanna wrote:
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Autistic folks who are Conservative tend to be lower-functioning.

Coming from the person who seems rather conservative in another thread I've seen him in, where he purports that only men should work and not letting any women work and staying home will fix this economy. Riiight. As my perception would identify your ideals to be more conservative, this would then be you branding yourself to be lower-functioning as a result.
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Autistic folks who are liberal tend to be douchebags.
:P

Congratulations, you just called a bunch of people in this thread, myself included, a douchebag. Even though you don't really know me (or a lot of others in this thread) as a person. :lol: Are you feeling special yet? :wink:


Thank you, thank you, thank you, and yes I do feel special. :D
My douchebag comment was in response to ArrantPariah's shot at conservative aspies.
However, if you would like to feel offended I would be honored. :P


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21 Aug 2012, 8:15 am

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/20 ... 6.abstract

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Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact


The science is there: lower-functioning folks tend toward Conservative political beliefs.