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But then they would BE the illegals!

So then there would be like West Berlin and have a "Austin Wall" built and have airlifts to send them the supplies? But then that would still be the state of Texas as the capital is there, albeit with most of the land gone.

It would be a fence, because it is Texas. Austin would operate as it's own state independent of TX and supported by the Union according to their petition. Next the opposing citizens of Austin could face off block by block--a whole new twist to the gang wars.

It would be a fence, because it is Texas. Austin would operate as it's own state independent of TX and supported by the Union according to their petition. Next the opposing citizens of Austin could face off block by block--a whole new twist to the gang wars.

It would be a fence, because it is Texas. Austin would operate as it's own state independent of TX and supported by the Union according to their petition. Next the opposing citizens of Austin could face off block by block--a whole new twist to the gang wars.

It would be a fence, because it is Texas. Austin would operate as it's own state independent of TX and supported by the Union according to their petition. Next the opposing citizens of Austin could face off block by block--a whole new twist to the gang wars.

I nominate my sister-in-law for president of Austin! Even though I lives in Alabammy.

All kidding aside, right now if Texas actually followed through with this, it would actually hurt the United States a heck of a lot more than it would hurt Texas.

Also, I think there are petitions for all 50 states now.

Really? How so? Without social security, education, medicare, the military, etc. being covered by the government, Texas would be turned into a third world country in months, as would any any other idiot state that would actually try to secede.
There is in fact a counter petition now, in which it expresses that anyone who signs the secession petition be stripped of their citizenship, and immediately deported.
People need to quit being spoil sports just because their candidate lost an election. Instead, they need to do what Bobby Jindal and Chris Christie among others had suggested - do some soul searching, and realize that disregarding the poor, racial minorities, women, and the young is going to be counter productive for winning the presidency.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

It probably wouldn't take much for Texas to start developing a standing army, considering how many people in Texas own firearms... Also believe it or not, part of education funding comes from state government a lot of it isn't Federal Money.

Also considering California has to get a good chunk of their electricity from Texas, and the fact they wouldn't have to contend with the idiots at the EPA over oil drilling, I think Texas could do very well on its own (exception being Houston).



Ah a shining example of left-wing tolerance... More like the lack of tolerance that is.

A lot of people are angry with the Federal Government and the Obama Administration in particular for rather legitimate reasons. A lot of military veterans (at least the ones that know what happened in Benghazi) are extremely pissed off. There are a lot of people whom are also fed up with having to pay for the irresponsible fiscal behavior of states like California, New York, and Illinois; and furthermore don't want to be stuck with the bill from politicians gone wild spending sprees out of Washington DC.



Right because presincts with a 141% turnout in Florida is obviously an honest and fair election...

What you are really suggesting is that we become pro-amnesty and pro-infanticide; I'm sorry but I'm actually of the opinion that the reason Republicans lost:
1. The Republicans let the Democrats pick the candidate
2. Media Dishonesty (covering up Benghazi)
3. Democrats threw a Republican Primary to make sure Akins was a senate candidate (they actually heavily funded Akins in the primary).
4. Chicago style campaign tactics.

The Democrats manipulated the argument into a fight over abortions due to rape (which is well under 5% of all abortions in the United States) instead of telling the truth that they wanted abortions on demand for any reason.

Abortion is being used for eugenic purposes in this country today, we are incredibly lucky that they haven't come up with a way to for sure tell if someone will be on the spectrum while the child is in the womb; Down Syndrome babies aren't so lucky, 94% of them are killed before they are ever able to take their first breath in the outside world, 94%! The only reason we aren't seeing 94% of babies with autism suffering a similar fate is they can't figure out how to detect autism while the child is in the womb.

If you don't think we'll end up being next, I advise you study history Kraichgauer, because there are ample examples in history where these kinds of eugenic practices happen over and over again.

Pro-life Republicans believe a child's life has value, that the child has rights and isn't some piece of property for someone to do whatever the hell they want with. That's what you and many other liberals fail to understand, pro-lifers do believe a woman has rights; the sticking point is that pro-lifers believe a child has rights too and that's the sticking point.

Republicans care about the child before it's born,and after it dies, but not in between. I'll remind you how Republicans want to cut the social safety net for everyone - sick children included.
And abortion used for eugenics? It had been the case long ago, when states sterilized so called undesirables - as late as the 1970's. But today? Where is the government program for such a thing? It's the decision of parents, and nothing more.
Bengazzi had nothing to do with the election results one way or the other. The fact of the matter is, the Republican party has been highjacked by the lunatic fringe who spout idiocy like, rape is a gift from God, or who call women who use contraceptives whores, or who justify voter suppression of blacks, Latinos, and the poor to win an election instead of trying to work to get their vote. Veering to the far right or the far left does nothing but alienate the rest of the country. How is it possibly wrong to embrace the changing demographics of the country, rather than simply reacting negatively to it?
And voter fraud in Florida this last election? Where did this tidbit of information come from?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Unless the child is over 18 and legally an adult, children don't have much to worry about as far as a social safety net, that's just a DNC talking point they came up with to demonize Republicans.



I wish you were right Krachgauer, fact is that eugenics are still taking place in this country and with Obamacare it has the potential to get even worse. I have a cousin with Down Syndrome remember, I brought it up before; Doctors tried to pressure my aunt and uncle to have my cousin aborted. So no, it isn't simply the "parents" decision; and Obamacare makes this even worse because someone with a "disability" would be considered a drain on society.



The fact the White House left a bunch of Americans to die, and we would have had many more dead Americans if not for the fact some brave individuals DISOBEYED orders, then ran around lieing claiming it was a video, when they knew from the very beginning it was pre-planned would have cost Obama the election. If it didn't then quite frankly this country is basically dead, and I should say the US Military should have absolutely no faith in the American people, just like many of them have no faith in this President.



Fact of the matter is we have a bunch of idiots that believe DNC talking points and can't seem to understand the fact they are being lied to... The comments you are referring to concerning Richard Mourdock, well fact of the matter his comments were twisted way out of context. He didn't say God wanted a woman to be raped, he said the child is one of god's children just like any other child. While pro-abortion nuts often try to paint the child as being a spawn of satan or some other sort of horrible monster, fact of the matter is the child is an innocent being; the monster is the rapist, and condemning an innocent child to death for what some monster did to his/her mother is not justice, it isn't even revenge, it is basically adding a murder victim to the equation on top of a rape victim.

As far as this bull about "voter suppression," the reality is that Republicans want people to have a photo ID when they show up to vote; an example as to why:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT77qP2Nai8[/youtube]

Most Republicans are not interested in keeping minorities from voting, they are interested in keeping: foreign nationals, comic book charecters, the undead, goldfish, dogs, cats, etc. from voting. We also want to make sure the person voting isn't casting a ballot in someone else's name, hence the reason why we want people to have to present a photo ID.



http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Docs/ ... REPORT.pdf

http://www.examiner.com/article/st-luci ... er-turnout

After the initial report, the County stated that everything had to be spread over 2 ballots basically due to everything that had to be voted on, which supposedly cuts the number in half, the problem still is that the number of voters is 22.6% higher than the national average...

Other people posted comments to the article questioning the County's honesty about the voter turnout percentage being off in the initial report, which it wouldn't surprise me if the county is simply trying to BS people.

The fact the Democrat candidate also got 4,000 votes suddenly in under half an hour before the race was called, also kinda smells too.

Additionally the Supervisor of Elections locked the doors in violation of Florida law, which gives further indication that their "clarification" might not be truthful as well.

Go get 'em tiger!! !! Stick to your guns and don't ever change!

Yes, a child under 18 does have to worry about the safety net being there, as poor parents can't provide food, clothing, shelter, or medical care for their children unless they are the recipients of that net themselves.
I'm very happy to hear that your relation with Down's Syndrome wasn't aborted. But the fact remains, that was almost certainly the doctor who was trying to decide which human life was worthy, not the government. And if anything, people with disabilities will be covered by Obamacare now, rather than be left lost at sea due to a preexisting condition.
And the fact of the matter is, everyone from Chris Christie to Bobby Jindel, as well as other Republican leaders agree that the Republican party had disregarded half the country on racial and economic lines. Remember Romney saying he had no intention of representing half the country? Well, half the country logically rejected him. For the Republican Party to ever win the White House again, they will have to learn the best candidate isn't the most right wing, but the most moderate. And that means no more insane conspiracy theories demonizing political opponents, no more "my way or the highway" idea of how government is supposed to work, no more courting extreme fringe religious and social movements, etc.
And yes, Virginia, voter suppression is real. I've talked enough abut voter ID laws till I'm blue in the face, so I'll leave it to your memory of what I've written on the subject. Instead, I'll report how the number of voting stations were reduced in predominantly black, poor, and Democratic precincts - while the same was not done in white, socially upscale, and Republican areas. On top of that, the head of the Wisconsin Republican party had said Voter ID laws would deliver Wisconsin into Romney's hands. While in Florida, a Republican party worker had reported to the media how the people he worked under considered voter outreach to minorities to be "below the Republican party." The Republican establishment (not all Republicans, like yourself, mind you) had decided that blacks, Latinos, and the poor constituted that 47% of Romney's and so were considered below contempt.
And as for voter fraud this last election - as Rev. Al Sharpton had observed, people who want to commit voter fraud aren't going to stand for five or six hours out in the cold just to vote. And the simple fact of the matter is, this so called fight against voter fraud has been directed solely against blacks and Latinos - I have yet to see whites in large numbers come under scrutiny.
As for why Romney lost - a major problem was that he, Ryan, their campaign, as well as Fox and Limbaugh quite simply deluded themselves. They disregarded the polls as favoring the Democrats, and fell for their own party propaganda.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Actually the child can be taken away due to neglect Kraichgauer... The sad thing is right now I don't see people able to find jobs for the next 4 years due to the Obama Administration's anti-business agenda.



Uh have you actually looked into the text of Obamacare? My cousin would have been considered an undesirable for the same reason the elderly is considered undesirable in their cost/benefit analysis.



This is partially addressed in my statement that Republicans let Democrats and the Left Wing media choose our nominee. Mitt Romney wasn't exactly the best candidate for office.

Personally concerning the abortion fight, I think the GOP should run a senate candidate that survived an abortion and actually was born. Then survived being tossed into the trash can thanks to a kind nurse. Then I'd love to see the Democrats attack that candidate for being pro-life, and I guarentee they would. I can easily see that Republican winning the women vote, because even if women didn't necessarily agree with said candidate, they would understand the candidate's reason for being pro-life and would respect it.



Both parties are pulling shannigans to try to supress the other side's voters, if the votes are illegitimate because they are foreign nationals, cartoon charecters, etc.; then that is voter fraud; pulling shannigans to keep people whom have the Constitutional right to vote from voting is unethical though.

Pennsylvanian presincts had shannigans going on to supress Republican turnout, so this is an issue involving both sides.



You do realize that the head of the Wisconsin Republican Party is essentially accusing Democrats of voter fraud, the kind of fraud that goes on all the time in areas like Chicago, Illinois.



Uh, you may want to check as to whether or not this party worker is actually a Republican party worker... It has happened that Democrats have posed as Republicans or Tea Partiers in the past in order to further the bogus accusation that Tea Partiers are racist. There have been incidents where White Supremists have shown up to Tea Party events or Republican/Conservative events like CPAC, and were promptly thrown out. So if that individual was really a Republican party worker, it is likely he was thrown out of the party not long after that interview.



Giving people "free gifts" to vote a certain way is also a crime Kraichgauer.

The plan: offering cheap vodka ... for votes.

It was part of a scheme to steal an election in eastern Arkansas that included absentee ballot fraud and buying votes with money, food and even alcohol.

"I guess I always knew all along it was wrong, but I really didn't think it was that big a deal," explained former Democratic state Rep. Hudson Hallum. "I always heard ... that's what everybody did."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10 ... z2CUowxuMd

Btw, the Democrat in question has pled guilty, so I don't think anyone can argue the validity of the article (well they could but they'd be rather stupid to do so). Anyways, other media outlets to my knowledge refused to report on this, which is also why I don't consider other outlets to be "news sources" anymore.



I think the reason Romney lost was primarily because he was a wealthy Massachusetts moderate and that he had a rich father. If the Republicans had run someone whom was from a middle class background, or grew up in poverty and worked his way up the income ladder, I think that individual would have done a lot better (and in all honesty pretty much every candidate in the Republican primary except Romney was from a middle class background or impoverished childhood).

Fox News and Limbaugh both had valid points concerning the polls as well, the factor that they didn't take into account is a lot of people would turn out for Obama simply because of his race and the left-wing media furthering the bull**** argument that Republicans were after Obama because he was black.

Fact of the matter is Republicans wanted Obama out of office because of his far-left policies, his demonization of small business owners, and things like Operation Fast & Furious; we didn't give a rats *** what color Obama's skin pigmentation was. However, the Obama's 1000+ press secretaries did everything they could to demonize Republicans in order to ensure that Obama got re-elected. Their assistance in covering up Benghazi is case and point.

Someone needs to get away from the Fox Noise for a while.