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19 Dec 2012, 10:04 pm

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Thank you for acknowledging that.
It really doesn't matter what you or others choose to believe, after all it's your choice!

I feel most are Atheist because they choose not to believe in a "God" that agrees with them. They in turn, rebel not against "God" but against themselves.
And with that, they will spend countless hours searching for answers and meaning , whether it be scientific pursuits or aesthetic pleasures.

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I'm not searching for any ultimate answers. I accept that I will very likely never find them.

What if you know the meaning of it all?

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19 Dec 2012, 10:06 pm

shrox wrote:

MCalavera wrote:

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I'm not searching for any ultimate answers. I accept that I will very likely never find them.

What if you know the meaning of it all?

I don't, but if I did, it'd be awesome.

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19 Dec 2012, 10:27 pm

MCalavera wrote:

It is personal, no doubt about that. But it's still valid regardless.

And the truth floweth fourth..

Again, I really don't have any objections as to why you are Atheist. Honestly, man, it's your choice.
I just find it very amusing that you are so hyper-critical of Christianity but when I call you on your "beliefs" you act like I'm singling you out.

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I'm not searching for any ultimate answers.

Why not? If you are convinced Atheism is right for you, then why aren't you searching for those answers?

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19 Dec 2012, 10:45 pm

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It is personal, no doubt about that. But it's still valid regardless.

And the truth floweth fourth..

forth*

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Again, I really don't have any objections as to why you are Atheist. Honestly, man, it's your choice.
I just find it very amusing that you are so hyper-critical of Christianity but when I call you on your "beliefs" you act like I'm singling you out.

Not sure what the problem is exactly here. Am I not allowed to be as critical of Christianity and religion as I am now? Gee, do I need to follow your mentality towards religion in order for you to be happy? Don't take it personal if I don't respect religion. I'm just one insignificant atheist who has his own view of things, nothing more.

And what do you mean by "I act like you're singling me out"?

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I'm not searching for any ultimate answers.

Why not? If you are convinced Atheism is right for you, then why aren't you searching for those answers?

Best Regards,

Jake

Because evidence so far suggests we aren't getting there anytime soon. As far as I know, any person who thinks he has the answers to everything is delusional until further evidence confirming his revelation.

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19 Dec 2012, 11:00 pm

I didn't say I had the answers, did not even imply it.
Let's play fair. I'm seeing what you believe and why, that's all.

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Am I not allowed to be as critical of Christianity and religion as I am now? Gee, do I need to follow your mentality towards religion in order for you to be happy? Don't take it personal if I don't respect religion. I'm just one insignificant atheist who has his own view of things, nothing more.

Let's not be passive aggressive. I'm not even asserting my mentality on you. For all you know I could be on your side.
I'm trying to appeal to your reasoning as to why.

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As far as I know, any person who thinks he has the answers to everything is delusional until further evidence confirming his revelation.

Well, it sounds like you had the answers bro! You even made a thread claiming why you believed those answers! You sounded pretty firm in your beliefs too. Is it not fair for me to be critical of your beliefs?

Best Regards,

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19 Dec 2012, 11:00 pm

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I'm not searching for any ultimate answers. I accept that I will very likely never find them.

One of the biggest reasons why I remain in the faith is I'm too curious to do that. I would much rather spend my entire life making oblation to a God only to find out upon my death that he didn't exist than spend life in hedonistic revelry only to find out that there is some ultimate truth but I don't get to know it because I spent my life being a ****head.

If there is an ultimate answer, then I HAVE TO KNOW IT!! !

If not, who cares? It's not like life would have any meaning in the absence of God anyway.

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19 Dec 2012, 11:03 pm

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Many of the atheists I've met seem to more being trying to spite God than to truly not believe in him, though there are exceptions. ruveyn being the first to come to mind; he doesn't seem angry, he just doesn't believe.

I became an atheist... you know, I don't exactly know when it happened. I tried to convince myself otherwise for quite some time, but I became more and more uneasy as I increasingly felt I was lying to myself. I have never felt any anger towards God, religion, or religious people. I only feel sadness, like when I realized Santa Claus wasn't real.

I've never felt spite towards God. In fact, I've never felt like I had any relationship with him at all, despite actually believing in him. That always unsettled me a bit, since most Christians claim to have an actual emotional connection with him.

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19 Dec 2012, 11:07 pm

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Most Christians don't claim there religion as a "religion" it is more of a "relationship" based upon that emotional connection.

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Jake

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19 Dec 2012, 11:12 pm

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As a Christian, when people inform me that they are atheists they generally do so as they try to explain to me why religion is responsible for everything that ever went badly ever and all that jazz, or to make fun of me, and in doing so end up sounding more angry than apathetic. I think that the fact that atheists such as yourself tend to keep quiet gives Christians and members of other religions a skewed perception of atheism when in fact atheists such as yourself may indeed be the majority.

And that's a shame too, as those guys are to atheism as the westboro baptist church is to Christianity.

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19 Dec 2012, 11:20 pm

@Tensu

Well said. You summed it up nicely.

Best Regards,

Jake

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20 Dec 2012, 1:23 am

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Let's not be passive aggressive.

Projection.

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I'm not even asserting my mentality on you. For all you know I could be on your side.

What side is that exactly?

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Well, it sounds like you had the answers bro! You even made a thread claiming why you believed those answers! You sounded pretty firm in your beliefs too.

No, I don't have the ultimate answers pertaining to everything in existence. Never even implied it.

But I guess you read what you want to read.

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20 Dec 2012, 1:25 am

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I'm not searching for any ultimate answers. I accept that I will very likely never find them.

Your approach is not rational then.

Do you believe in dragons, too, because you're not sure that they don't exist and that, if they do exist, they'll breathe all sorts of fiery hell on you after death if you don't believe in them?

Why this special pleading for God?

If there's an ultimate answer, wait for it to be revealed, and then accept it. Otherwise, you are going about it very blindly.

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20 Dec 2012, 1:33 am

MCalavera wrote:

shrox wrote:

MCalavera wrote:

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I'm not searching for any ultimate answers. I accept that I will very likely never find them.

What if you know the meaning of it all?

I don't, but if I did, it'd be awesome.

The first rule of knowing the meaning of it all, is you don't talk about knowing the meaning of it all...

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20 Dec 2012, 2:50 pm

I wonder what would happen if one of their members passed away and people picketed their funeral? Maybe they might see the error of their ways due to actually knowing the grief they are causing.

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20 Dec 2012, 9:02 pm

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I wonder what would happen if one of their members passed away and people picketed their funeral? Maybe they might see the error of their ways due to actually knowing the grief they are causing.

Perhaps someone could toss Chik-Fil-A wrappers in the hole...

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20 Dec 2012, 10:41 pm

MCalavera wrote:

Your approach is not rational then.

why not? because you say it isn't? please. Who defines rational? How much can really be *proven* to be rational?

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Do you believe in dragons, too, because you're not sure that they don't exist and that, if they do exist, they'll breathe all sorts of fiery hell on you after death if you don't believe in them?

Why this special pleading for God?

Firstly, dragons don't burn people because those people don't believe in them. They do it because they want meat or shinyies. If dragons did exist believing in them wouldn't protect from them.

Secondly, I never said that I wasn't sure God existed. I said:

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I would much rather spend my entire life making oblation to a God only to find out upon my death that he didn't exist than spend life in hedonistic revelry only to find out that there is some ultimate truth but I don't get to know it because I spent my life being a ****head.

I never said I wasn't sure. I said it would be easier to be wrong than to miss out. BIG DIFFERENCE.

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If there's an ultimate answer, wait for it to be revealed, and then accept it. Otherwise, you are going about it very blindly.

What if the answer can't be found by just sitting around staring at my bedroom wall? What if it takes more than that? How is actively searching and studying blinder than not looking at all?

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