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05 Jan 2013, 10:52 pm

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G-d bless the Israelis. The plight of those Poor Palestinian terrorists (i.e. not the genuine people who are suffering through the misdeeds of their more violent brethren) is enough to turn anyone into a rabid Israeli nationalist.

For a piece of land and a country that has been demonised so much by Islamist scum, it can't possibly live up to my very high expectations given that I consider almost anywhere so demonised by such people as a massive endorsement (although I'm sure the Israelis will try their very best, good people that they are).

I'm going to go to Israel and be disappointed, and do you know what? I'm going to blame it on the Jews. (Sorry, Jews.)


To be fair to Islamist scum, the Palestinians have been under the heel of a foreign army since the end of the Six Day War, when Israel annexed East Jerusalem and the other territories. Jews have been aggressively building settlements in the West Bank ever since. They've been trying to drive the Palestinians into Jordan for years. That's why Palestinians are firing home-made rockets into poor, victimized Israel. In light of what has happened there,, your philosemitism is really inhumane. I suggest you watch the documentary "Death in Gaza" about Israel's treatment of Palestinians and see if you can sustain your uncritical view of that country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohSO_MGNw1Q

And why do you call them Islamists rather than Moslems? Moslems don't call themselves Islamists.



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05 Jan 2013, 11:25 pm

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIkrQGz5ats[/youtube]


Believe me when I say I despise the Arab regimes and hate their guts more than many of you do, but let's be fair here. The focus wasn't on him killing a child in this video. In fact, it had nothing to do with the crime he did. And those siding with him actually don't believe he committed such a crime.

So if you're implying that Al-Jazeera supports child killing, then this video is not a good evidence at all to support this.



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05 Jan 2013, 11:39 pm

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohSO_MGNw1Q


I haven't watched that documentary (because I already have another film on the go at the moment, which I need to return to) but they said that the filmmaker who was killed making the video was carrying a white flag. What were the circumstances around his death? He didn't refuse to put his white flag down and didn't surrender, I take it? He didn't walk towards the IDF with his white flag (which is a pretty daft thing to do in a near-warzone) whilst disobeying orders from the soldiers?

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And why do you call them Islamists rather than Moslems? Moslems don't call themselves Islamists.


I'm not on about all Muslims. I'm on about the purveyors of hatred that exist on television stations throughout many Arab countries, and especially in the West Bank and Gaza. I'm on about those people who desire Islamic theocracies/dictatorships, and those Muslims (and non-Muslims, though Allah knows why) in the West that desire greater respect for Islamic laws and values. I'm not on about your ordinary Muslim here that likes where he lives and wants to get on with daily life. Can't stress that enough.



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06 Jan 2013, 12:33 pm

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Another article for you, an opinion piece from Al-Hamas... sorry, Al-Jazeera:

Look at those evil Jews wanting to avoid getting attacked by those who wish to wipe them out as though they were nothing more than rats:

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Israel's Gaza Bantustan
  • Israel controls the Palestinian population registry and all important cards required to enter Gaza and the West Bank.
Israel's one state reality greeted us at the gates of the Gaza-Rafah crossing when we were asked by the Egyptian officer to present our Haweyah (Palestinian IDs) in order to be allowed through. It is not like we weren't expecting this request, we knew that it would come down to this even though our Australian passports clearly showed Gaza as our place of birth we were still not considered Palestinian nationals in our own home city. Rather, we were treated like foreigners who needed an almost impossible amount of bureaucratic red tape designed to discourage the likes of us of ever thinking of visiting loved ones back home.

Allow me to explain: Since Israel's establishment it has used the system of ID cards to differentiate between its Jewish and non-Jewish residents and citizens, a distinction needed in order to apply its apartheid discriminatory policies of separate and unequal treatment. When Israel occupied Gaza and the West Bank in 1967, its Interior Ministry began to also issue ID cards to the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories. By 1982, Israel passed the Identity Card Carrying and Displaying Act requiring all residents of Israel both inside its 1948 borders and inside the green line in the Occupied Territories, who are over 16 years of age, to carry at all times these ID cards and to present them upon request to the authorities.

Israeli citizens' ID cards come in blue plastic casing with the Israeli Coat of Arms on the outer cover. Palestinians prior to the establishment of the Palestinian Authority had orange casings in the West Bank and red casings in the Gaza Strip both with the IDF insignia embossed on the outer cover highlighting Israel's military control. Palestinians in the Occupied Territories who were forbidden entry into Israel's 1948 borders had green casings.


G-d bless the Israelis. The plight of those Poor Palestinian terrorists (i.e. not the genuine people who are suffering through the misdeeds of their more violent brethren) is enough to turn anyone into a rabid Israeli nationalist.

Erm wtf. What evidence do you have that these people are terrorists?

What was your view on the proposed National ID scheme for Britain? How would you feel if everyone aged 16 or over had to present an ID card to the police if asked for one?

Frankly I don't see the relationship between your savagely anti-Palestinian attacks on these al-Jazaeera journalists and that opinion piece.



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06 Jan 2013, 12:58 pm

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What was your view on the proposed National ID scheme for Britain?


I was against it for numerous differing reasons, just as I'm against ContactPoint-esque nonsense today. I didn't support the system for the UK, but I wouldn't presume to tell people in other countries if they should have or not have ID cards. In most countries, ID cards are used for a wide variety of things.

If you can be ID'd when buying a beer in a bar, you should be ID'd when entering a near-warzone.

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How would you feel if everyone aged 16 or over had to present an ID card to the police if asked for one?


What, you mean like in most of mainland Europe? You do know that the UK is in an extreme minority when it comes to not having ID cards? The only countries in Europe that don't have them are Denmark, the Republic of Ireland and Norway. Even Gibraltar has them. Most countries in Europe request that they be carried. I don't like it but I can live with it. For what it's worth, I've never been asked for it when out on the street in a European country.

If a country has a national ID scheme, it's only fair that it's actually used for the stated purpose.



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06 Jan 2013, 2:24 pm

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http://news.yahoo.com/why-al-gore-sold-current-tv-al-jazeera-075300367.html

From what I've seen of Al Jazeera, it seems to be the world's best news source.
It can be extremely biased when it comes to certain stories etc., but otherwise it's a good channel.


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06 Jan 2013, 8:07 pm

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohSO_MGNw1Q


I haven't watched that documentary (because I already have another film on the go at the moment, which I need to return to) but they said that the filmmaker who was killed making the video was carrying a white flag. What were the circumstances around his death? He didn't refuse to put his white flag down and didn't surrender, I take it? He didn't walk towards the IDF with his white flag (which is a pretty daft thing to do in a near-warzone) whilst disobeying orders from the soldiers?


AFAIK, he was not issued a warning. The soldiers fired at him during a night time exchange. He cried out to them that he was a journalist shooting a film, but they kept on firing. Maybe his pleas were drowned out in the gunfire, or maybe they murdered him. Such actions are not unheard of - ten years ago the IDF ran over a young unarmed woman with a tank. They really are vicious.

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I'm not on about all Muslims. I'm on about the purveyors of hatred that exist on television stations throughout many Arab countries, and especially in the West Bank and Gaza. I'm on about those people who desire Islamic theocracies/dictatorships, and those Muslims (and non-Muslims, though Allah knows why) in the West that desire greater respect for Islamic laws and values. I'm not on about your ordinary Muslim here that likes where he lives and wants to get on with daily life. Can't stress that enough.


The Palestinians have been occupied by a foreign army for 45 years. They've seen their own people - many of them innocent children - maimed and blown to bits. If not hatred, how are they supposed to feel? I'm sure the Celts felt the same way when the Romans set up garrisons in Britannia. Think about it: your distant ancestors may have been purveyors of hate.

Do Moslems make this distinction between Islamists and Moslems? And how do you know what the ordinary Moslem thinks? He may not be outwardly hostile, but he probably harbors contempt for the host culture. Anyone who follows the Koran would be repelled by contemporary British culture. Even if UK Moslems aren't plotting terrorist attacks, they are having more children than the Anglo-Celtic population. One day they will be the majority in major UK cities, and maybe in the UK not too long after. If UK Moslems have designs on Britain they don't have to express it openly because they know the British are too weak-willed and dishonest to stop them.



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08 Jan 2013, 12:05 am

Al Jazeera has a strong bias on certain topics, but it's not actually the bias that some people here seem to think. It's not really an "Islamist" or "anti-imperial" bias (not directly anyway). It's closer to "Arab nationalist", but it's not quite that either. The only way to get a feel for it is to watch them reporting on a range of topics, not just whenever they say something controversial.



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08 Jan 2013, 1:45 pm

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Do Moslems make this distinction between Islamists and Moslems? And how do you know what the ordinary Moslem thinks? He may not be outwardly hostile, but he probably harbors contempt for the host culture. Anyone who follows the Koran would be repelled by contemporary British culture. Even if UK Moslems aren't plotting terrorist attacks, they are having more children than the Anglo-Celtic population. One day they will be the majority in major UK cities, and maybe in the UK not too long after. If UK Moslems have designs on Britain they don't have to express it openly because they know the British are too weak-willed and dishonest to stop them.

Firstly, it is "Muslim", not "Moslem".

There are anonymous opinion polls done of Muslims, similar to election polls. These shows that the majority of Muslims in this country don't think like that at all.

There's no reason to think the "Muslim" birth rate won't level off over time (in fact evidence from all around the world suggests that it will as Muslim immigrants become wealthier), and I would also suggest that they are likely to drift towards liberal views, secularism and even atheism as time goes by. If they do become a majority, then why should "British" people "stop them"? Stop them from doing what?



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08 Jan 2013, 4:14 pm

Israel worship is unfortunately widespread and in the future they'll laugh at us Westerners for having such practice so widespread in our society. They'll definitely see us as a bunch of primitives.



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08 Jan 2013, 5:51 pm

I prefer watching CCTV-9 [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95o265YaRlk[/youtube]Not only do they cover news on the otherside faster and at a different angle they also teach chinese as well! [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIMk5M2XIzQ[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izK6kX5QuS0[/youtube]


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08 Jan 2013, 10:34 pm

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I guess it's good there's another network on air, but I'm suspicious of Qatari government ownership. Not that I fear they will be a Qatari government mouthpiece, but no private media has pockets as deep as the Qatari government's. The same goes for the BBC in this country.


And CBC on the other side of the Atlantic, which is available through many border community cable providers in the US, is also government supported. In my words, "government-funded" SHOULD mean "non-bias" (as much as possible, as bias is unavoidable in all humans, no matter how hard we try).