The religion(s) of peace

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Any religion at all that uses the expression "a religion of peace" deserves to be laughed at, whether it's the obsessive Islamist grievance mongers and their Western apologists, or loopy ulltraconservative Christian headbangers, bigots and racists, or any other poxy organised religion you care to name. If your religion was so peaceful you wouldn't need to make such empty statements in the first place because everyone would know it.

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It's only because of the convoluted amongst followers this is why such statements are made. You cannot control the minds of the masses. Followers are gonna do what followers do.

That's because its tied in with the Old Testament.

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I agree that most of the teachings attributed to Jesus are peaceful. I think it is not Jesus but distortions of his teachings that are the biggest problem. This is likely true of Mohammed as well, though I'm not as familiar with Islam. I've read the Bible, but not (yet) the Koran, so I can't compare. But I have spoken to Muslims about Islam and to me what they described was essentially a religion of peace.

It's too bad that there are those who distort such things, but look at the many ways in which people distort the US constitution - a much simpler document, less dependent on interpretation than the Bible or Koran, more straightforward and also not dependent on anyone's memory after the fact (every particle of the New Testament was written at least a couple decades after Jesus died if not much longer), questionable leadership (we see this in every major religion after the original person who started it is no longer around, and the new leader usually has the power to rewrite or redefine major tenets of the belief) or symbolic/metaphoric versus literal interpretation.

This is the problem I have with religion as a whole, especially those that work to spread their word - to try to make something so grand and far reaching that started out with limited exposure to one culture - and was misunderstood even then - and apply it to everyone in the world, seems absurdly naive and misguided, not to mention, in many cases, needlessly controlling.

My opinion is, if you want to fight, you can find reason in a head of cabbage. If you like to fight, that is what you will do.

I don't understand who or what you mean by that.

It just means if someone is inclined to fight in the first place, it won't matter if they are followers of a religion. They are going to fight. If they are followers, they will fight as followers. If they are atheists, they will do so as non believers.

That means if a soldier decides to become a Christian he probably will find a way to justify war so he can keep his job.

They have a vested interest in protecting their religion. Islam is not a peaceful religion, no matter how many times Muslims might say that it is. It is essentially a religion of warfare and conquest - the very fact that it was started by a 7th century Arab warlord should be guidance enough.

Also, next time you see your Muslim friends: ask them about Sharia, specifically the part where the religion calls for apostates to be killed, the persecution of women and gays and the killing of Jews (I can quote the relevant sura for that one).

It's not a peaceful religion. It's a religion and a totalitarian political ideology started and sustained by violence and war. Many (if perhaps not always most) of its followers are peaceful, and there are many peaceful facets to the religion. But violence and Islam are inextricably linked. If it wasn't for violence and torture and military conquest and the deranged perversions of a 7th century egomaniac Arab, Islam would not exist. It's not just any ordinary religion - it's a complete way of life.

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Oh yes, I agree. Thanks for clarifying.

We all have trade-offs to make and crosses to bear. And Christianity is not a non-violent religion. It is soaked, from head to toe, in violence, repression, intolerance, torture, murder and moral panics. Ever heard of the Pendle Witches?

I assume they left out these parts:

- Female genital mutilation
- Death penalty for apostasy (only away from Islam, of course)
- Death penalty for homosexuality
- Death penalty for insulting Muhammad
- Death penalty for being a Jew (correction: The duty to kill all Jews... shouldn't be misrepresenting Islam, now should I?)
- Beheading male members of a surrendering enemy tribe and distributing the women and children to your followers as slaves
- Slavery (surprised?)
- The right to rape* slaves (Otherwise, what's the point of having slaves?)

*Silly me. The concept of rape doesn't even exist in Sharia.

And all of the above points are supported by either verses of the Quran or "authentic" Sunni hadith.

Oh, but that *tiny* omission was surely just an oversight... right?

Have you ever read the Old Testament? If interpreted literally it is every bit as restrictive and abusive as Sharia law at its worst. Each is interpreted either loosely or literally to some degree. What you say, that "Islam is not a peaceful relgion" is a blanket statement about a religion practiced in a variety of ways by millions of people, some who live peacefully, and some who do not. Please educate yourself before you make such statements, and don't lump together millions of people as if they were all guilty of the worst done by some members of that group. Or should we call you a mass murderer and warmonger simply because you're human? It would be as fair.

I'm not here to defend a religion - any religion. I don't like organized religion - but what you said is blatantly unfair and bigoted.

I'm told that the Arabic word for black people is the same as the word used for slaves and servants.

I so love it when racist 'liberal' Western anti-racists get themselves tied in knots.

Also, while I'm on the subject of Islam here's two stories about it that have come to light in the last couple of days:

Firstly, we have talking, moving tent and budding KKK lookalike (bloody hell, technology has moved on so much in the past couple of decades hasn't it?) who calls itself Umm Osama and claims to be the wife of a Hamas member of parliament. She and her husband sound wonderful, and I'd invite them around for tea any time. Anyway, a few days ago she said that "encouraging our children to kill for 'Palestine' is a mother's most glorious duty".

Here's the story:


Video:

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Get that? A mother's most glorious duty is getting her children to kill themselves to kill Jews. Are all you left-wing morons listening now? If you in any way even tangentially, remotely agree with this statement then I suggest you should perhaps look at joining your local Nazi party. You'll find yourselves in much more agreeable company there than people who believe in liberal, free democracy and the sanctity of life.

Secondly, we have our Islamist scumbag friends at the ludicrously-titled "Council for American-Islamic Relations" who don't like the idea of being called Islamists:


There is no "American-Islamic Relations" to be made, because no negotiation is necessary, and especially not with these fascists in business suits that claim to speak for all Muslims. American Muslims either integrate and obey the law (and good on those that do), or they can do us kafiri and themselves a huge favour get themselves on a plane and find a country more amenable to their barbaric beliefs.

Last story I have for you, today, dear readers, concerns the beleaguered Christians of Egypt. I'm not a fan of Christianity, as many of you here may know (mainly because I keep telling you). I think the Church is an obnoxious impediment to human progress and I despise it every time it sticks its big, long nose where it isn't wanted, when it claims that laws should be based on God and when the hilarious hypocrites of the Catholic Church deign to lecture us on how we should live our lives - that is, when they're not sticking their penises in the rectums of little boys. That said, I'm not a fan of religious persecution of any kind - not between followers of different religions, nor of the religious trying to force their beliefs on the non-religious. I wouldn't oppose rescuing the Christians of Egypt and giving them political asylum here because these people are seriously under threat.

That said:


Fills you with joy, doesn't it?