A reason for vegetarianism: animal death.

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24 Jan 2013, 4:14 pm

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If you think about it, God could've easily not allow any living being to be so hungry for meat.

When I think of what meat actually is now, I'm not able to be hungry anymore. Growing up eating cheeseburgers without thinking about it, I liked the flavor and was addicted then. Now I can only think of the lives that have been snuffed out due to my stupid selfish desire for the nicely prepared remains of once living creatures, nephesh chayyah, i.e. living souls - even though they're not human they are still real creatures and are not just here for us to murder them off as sacrifices to our stomachs.

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24 Jan 2013, 4:14 pm

I eat meat don't like it? That's your opinion and I will still eat meat as a matter of fact I'm about to eat a double bacon cheeseburger medium rare! Grass fed and organic mmm good!

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24 Jan 2013, 4:24 pm

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Jesus at the very least is documented eating fish, and probably lamb during Passover also.

Indeed, He did, and it's not a technical sin because the animals aren't made in the Image of God, but it's still wrong regardless of legalistic technicality. Jesus had followed the laws that He gave to Moses, but even so in the rest of the Torah it goes into how mercy is better than sacrifice, and how a righteous man cares for his animals and yet even the kindness of the wicked is cruel. Killing and eating our fellow living and breathing creatures is permissible, but it's still killing the innocent - only Adam and Eve fell from grace, the rest of the creation is unfortunately along for the horrible ride of consequences afterward. I'm glad the sacrificial system was done away with by Christ being the final sacrifice, as way too many poor innocent creatures were sentenced to death involuntarily prior to God sending His Son to voluntarily be the final atonement.

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24 Jan 2013, 4:24 pm

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I eat meat don't like it? That's your opinion and I will still eat meat as a matter of fact I'm about to eat a double bacon cheeseburger medium rare! Grass fed and organic mmm good!

Good for you, oh wait, no it isn't.

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24 Jan 2013, 4:37 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

I eat meat don't like it? That's your opinion and I will still eat meat as a matter of fact I'm about to eat a double bacon cheeseburger medium rare! Grass fed and organic mmm good!

Good for you, oh wait, no it isn't.

Not eaten every day mind you I usually eat seafood and poultry which is much better for me sure youl scowl at the idea it wont change my opinion you would have to put a gun to my head to get me to stop eating meat but ill still eat it later.

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24 Jan 2013, 4:42 pm

I'm a lapsed vegan,but I won't eat something that didn't have a life.My ex-brother in law had eight commercial poultry houses.I would not wish that life on my worst enemy.

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24 Jan 2013, 4:42 pm

Mmmm nice delicious freshly slaughtered meat with grease dripping off the side hey I can see a little blood in it yummy!

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24 Jan 2013, 4:46 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

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Can you ask a wild animal to not eat meat? They kill animals for food and in some fairly gruesome ways. How are humans any different?

http://creation.com/the-lion-that-wouldnt-eat-meat

Whine about the source if you want, it's still an example.

Try getting a snake to eat vegetables! :lol:

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24 Jan 2013, 4:47 pm

I've seen dead deer hanging from trees and cut up lots of fresh killed meat,it's not yummy looking till it's cooked.And blood and guts have a smell you may not like.

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24 Jan 2013, 4:52 pm

if human beings are naturally vegetarian, it would make us the only vegetarian species without any natural predators whatsover.

I think we're at the top of the food chain for a reason.

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24 Jan 2013, 4:52 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

1000Knives wrote:

Jesus at the very least is documented eating fish, and probably lamb during Passover also.

I guess, but all life is sentient, and even inanimate objects still have some of God's likeness in them, from the rocks, trees, etc. So any abuse of environment is bad. As far as plants go, plants are actually much more sentient than we think. There's been studies done on this, when plants are threatened they'll act differently, they'll grow differently based on "love" shown to them, words said, etc. Plants are also obviously afraid of predators, too. For example, plants have toxins in them to discourage their eating (an example is soy and phytoestrogens,) they've adapted to ensure their survival from predators. If that's not sentient, then I don't know what is.

I pretty much can't see meat eating as being a "big" deal in light of everything else going on in the world. My only issue with it scientifically is it's a bit decadent and inefficient how we eat meat, and devote so much land to growing grain just to feed cows. That's bad to me. But, if you had land and put sheep on it to mow your lawn, and some chickens to eat your bugs, and then you used them for eggs or milk or if you wanted, ate them, I don't see how it's a big deal. Keep in mind, dairy does presuppose meat eating. Cows nowadays are kept artificially perpetually pregnant. Eggs doesn't require perpetual pregnancy, as they're just chicken menstruations, but yeah. The issue I see is less some intrinsic thing wrong with killing to eat (as all lifeforms do this) so much as it is unsustainable.

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24 Jan 2013, 5:00 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

I eat meat don't like it? That's your opinion and I will still eat meat as a matter of fact I'm about to eat a double bacon cheeseburger medium rare! Grass fed and organic mmm good!

Good for you, oh wait, no it isn't.

Everyone is free to do whatever they want, no matter how stupid or wrong. If you want to kill innocent creatures and argue that it's your choice and that you're eating ones that are slightly better for you compared to other dead animals, then that's your decision. I still think it's wrong, so get over *that*.

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24 Jan 2013, 5:03 pm

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None human animals have no rights that humans are bound to recognize.

Meat is a fine source of high grade protein. Shave away the fat and it is a good meal provided it is properly cooked.

The Vegites are a morally smug bunch. They have no scruples about causing plant deaths.

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24 Jan 2013, 5:05 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:

I'm an animal meat lover myself and no vegan, but rights can be given to any entity. There's no defining rule on what has rights and what doesn't.

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24 Jan 2013, 5:07 pm

1000Knives wrote:

I guess, but all life is sentient, and even inanimate objects still have some of God's likeness in them, from the rocks, trees, etc.

If you can't see a elementary difference between an animal with a living soul, a plant, and a rock, then I'm done responding to you for now. But seriously, there is no equivalence between the destruction of a plant and the destruction of an animal. I'm willing to bet even the most hippie-like of the moderators here wouldn't block a clip of plants being put through a wood chipper, but put a human or an animal in a wood chipper and suddenly it matters. Not just on a basis of the TOS, but in reality too. Your conscience will tell you the difference, at least the first time around until it is seared away.

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24 Jan 2013, 5:08 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Plants aren't alive in the same way that animals are and legalism matters not as to right and wrong.

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