Ideas on How to Stop Massacres

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You said you understood what I said, but then post this? I'll quote a bit of what I said -

The firearm will either end the life of another, or shorten it with bullet wounds. Essentially, attempted murder or murder itself and then you have become the criminal.

I don't think people killing other people can be stopped except by killing people.When people are unhappy (especially at the oppressive government) they go on some kind of rampage. So you go locking up all the "crazies" to stop them from killing people, then a few less crazy people will get paranoid that they are next and they take up arms.

There is just no way around it, people have to kill people because people are people and people are flawed by nature.

Whilst noble in effect (a truly pacifistic society where there's no arms -- and by extension, no arms means no violence at all, as the following statement I make shows), humans are predators, and we'll look for and invent things that aid us in that (we use our intelligence for that) -- I don't think humans will ever relinquish weapons; the good people, the bad people, all people.

When we do, I don't think we'll be human anymore.

Yep so many people think weapons can just be taken away, because they are so dependent on their precious plastic buying power that they forget that people can make things. I've never made a gun before but I have machining experience, given the proper blueprints and tooling I could make just about any weapon in my garage and I could probably devise a way to make compact single shot weapons using nothing but an angle grinder and a drill press at a VERY fast pace.

People tend to disregard the fact that only a comparatively very low number of privately owned firearms will be taken away (in reality; surrendered to the authorities).
Yeah, that means we'll break the law.

Stopping massacres once in progress means being able to shoot back.

I do understand what you said and would like to see a Utopia. Unfortunately, Thomas More would be the first to tell you that Utopia can never exist. Human nature will never allow for a society of perfection , and any attempts at the contrary will inevitably result in a Dystopia. When your country fought against the nazis ( refuse to capitalize) did that make them criminals for wanting to survive and not end up like six million Jews? How can you say that simply defending your right to exist makes you a criminal? How can you say to the memories of the millions of men, woman, and children murdered by the nazis that it is better for you to be dead that to fight for your life and, "become the criminal"?

I'm not human then.



Killing, yes. Capturing and then trialling those criminals, no.



Because unnatural death is murder irrelevant of reason. You can defend your life without firearms.



That's your view and interpretation. It is not mine.

Would you ever take up an arm to protect yourself or someone else? I you recall saying you'd try to find something improvised if attacked (arm is an arm); or that you could find something (unsure of the correct wording).

That's still the mindset of a human.

Do you not realize what you have just done? Do you not see what you just said? You would have left all those people to die horrible deaths while you washed your hands of the matter and not so much as raised a hand in their defense. How can you call yourself a man of peace when you are prepared to sit on the bones of millions? I am sorry if I seem upset, but what you just said is so revolting and despicable that I never dreamt that such ideas could even be thought. That horrible war would never have been won if it was not for those brave souls who fought and died to let you speak today. Yet , you have the unmitigated audacity to call them criminals while you profit from their misery. If you want peace fine, we all do, but don't dishonor the memories of the dead by casting them down from your ivory tower.

genau!

Taking up non-lethal arms in the middle of a situation and collecting an arsenal - to kill - in preparation are totally different. I don't own any 'weapon' in my house, nor need to. Yet other users on here are basically boasting of all the various weapons of death they own and would happily kill with given any opportunity, is the complete opposite of humanity.



That horrible war could been prevented. The disgrace was all the appeasement that kept giving Hitler time and confidence.



I seriously doubt that. There are members on here that have such a cavalier attitude towards peace and disarming that they enjoy shooting and killing more than achieving peace and disarmament

Really, surely you own the odd steak knife. I remember reading a article on the BBC that said criminals in the UK often first go into the kitchen to retrieve the homeowners knifes during violent home invasions.



Yes, It could have been prevented if the world had mobilized to stop the nazis. After the horrors of WW1 Enland, France, and America were willing to do anything to prevent a new war , unfortunately, their desire to preserve lives ultimately lead to greater death.

Although I am for peace, I do think there is a danger about being too "cavalier" with pubic disarmament. After all, many societies with a disarmed populace have committed terrible crimes ( nazis, soviets, communists). There are ways to achieve greater peace without stripping the public of its right to self defense. Certainly a society with a greater belief in morality and code of law is a much better solution than vainly attempting to sterilize the world of every single lethal weapon. It is my opinion that our legal system in the USA is broken. We have more incarcerations than anywhere in the world , yet the criminals often come out of jail worse than they entered. There are so many laws on the books that even the Justice Department cannot give us an accurate number. I don't mean to knock our police department, after all, our murder rate is down to 4.7 versus 9.5 in 1993, but I do think we can do a hell of a lot better in the legal aspect.