Is organised religion a general enemy of humanity?

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Hows things at home Modus?

how is it hell to worship God for a few temporary years in this life only to be rewarded by eternity in paradise?? that's like saying it's torture to work in Mcdonalds for a couple of hours only to be given 1 million dollars an hour.

how is he sadistic? he gave us life, he gave us hands, a body, a mind, water, food, everything, and created paradise to reward those who worship him. if you think God is sadistic, then i suggest you do research on what paradise is and then talk about sadistic

Because the determination and ability to rationalize one's surroundings did not come about because there was an ultimate purpose to it, but because it was sort of a side-effect to having a big brain.

The theory of evolution doesn't propose that there's an ultimate conscious purpose behind every trait, just that traits evolve over successive generations because they happen to be favorable enough to evolve within the context of their surroundings.



First of all, I suggested an alternative that God may have created this universe randomly and without purpose. I didn't say this necessarily had to be the case.

Secondly, it depends on the context of what those astronomers you speak of were saying. The galaxy itself may not be random, but that doesn't mean the universe itself wasn't brought forth randomly. And as for our galaxy, it's not necessarily inexplicably ordered.



Occam's Razor does that to me. I'd rather go with simpler explanations that explain things more effectively than unnecessarily complicated explanations.

I mean it's common sense really.



Except that I didn't avoid addressing his point (which I don't agree is a valid point). The irony is that you avoided mine and resorted to just pointing out how I made an allegation of logical fallacy.



Yeah, and? This rhetoric means nothing to me. So not sure what you were trying to achieve here. I'd rather you address what I say with proper logic rather than poetry talk.



By just doing things randomly.

I like how you shifted the burden of argument on me when you should be the one to demonstrate with logic why it must follow that there must an ultimate purpose if God exists and if God created this universe.

I thought God was not supposed to be just an abstract idea.

Except you get paid money to work. Money that you can touch and feel with your hands. Money that's guaranteed.

All without providing any evidence to back up what you said.

in islam God guarantees anyone with even a mustard seed of faith will go to paradise. that means murderers, thieves, and the most evil of sinners will be given paradise only because they have an atom worth of faith in God. And that's a promise from God. if that's not merciful then what is mercy?? God's willing to save people from hell who committed sins that pile up to the mountains only because of an atom of faith in him. if that's not mercy then what is mercy then?? are you honestly comparing money with paradise

if only people knew what paradise is in ISLAM then will people know what true mercy means.

in Islam here are 10 of the infinite things paradise has to offer:

1: immortal age - every denizen is 33 years of age
2: strength of 100 men - every denizen has the strength of 100 strong men
3: beauty that's unparalleled - every denizen is given unparalleled beauty.
4: no one in paradise spits, defects, urinates, gives feces, menstruates, becomes ill and other impurities.
5: our sweat smells like perfume.
6: hundreds of flavors just for simple fruits like apples.
7: peace and genuine love - God erases all impurities in the heart before admitting us into paradise.
8: a river of honey, a river of milk, a river of water and a river of wine.
9: servants with faces as beautiful as gems and pearls.
10: last but not least, we can see God's face in paradise and talk with him without a barrier.

if that's not mercy, then what is???
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why do i have to provide evidence for axioms such as these. you know you have life. you know you have food. you know you have water.

islam SAVEd more than it destroyed. you seem ignorant on history. go look up the golden age of Islam before hating Islam's impact on the world

You're asserting that it's God who's given us everything we have and that there's a Paradise that awaits some of us while Hell awaits others.

These claims need to be backed up with evidence, which you have failed to do thus far.

False hope.

It's a pretty awful way to see humanity, isn't it. And it's not just Islam that thinks like this either, of course. Christianity has been peddling this shite for thousands of years.

The chances of the universe creating itself is as likely as a chimpanzee being given a typewriter and accidentally typing a universe.

second, the Quran is a miracle. how can a man living 1400 years ago predict that we are made of water, the big bang theory, the moons light is reflected and other scientific phenomena that we just found out today. especially considering that man was an illiterate.

that awkward moment when it's considered intelligent to believe the world formed by accident and dumb to believe the opposite.

IMHO, it's not dumb to believe that there is a creator, but it's inconsistent with reality to believe in a benevolent, omnipotent creator.

I mean reality as we know it now, not the proposed and unproven reality of heaven/Paradise.

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