Israeli policeman stated on facebook desire to 'slay arabs'

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16 Mar 2013, 6:40 pm

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Perhaps they simply misheard the fella. While it sounded like "slay Arabs," what he was actually saying was "Slayer rocks!"

It was on Facebook. However, Slayer does rock.



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16 Mar 2013, 6:45 pm

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People fled to all sorts of places. Of course we handle such humanitarian crisis differently nowadays, but to paint the British as the one obstacle isn't really accurate.


Agreed. The British were probably better than most of the European countries when it came to dealing with Jews fleeing persecution in the 1930s, but as you say they weren't particularly receptive to the world's Jews. It was an antisemitic time.

I only hope that, were the ethnic nationalist far-right gains power (say, in Hungary or Greece) that we could enable people suffering persecution to flee those countries. I wouldn't want to turn my back on those people. (The illegal immigration issue is big in Greece, but doesn't mean fascism is right.)


Far-left also were very anti-Semitic, it is just lesser known.

My dad was in FCO, posted to Hungry behind the iron curtain, recently returned for a holiday, was kind of disturbed of the rise of the far right, especially the historical amnesia they seem to have.

When he was there back in the 60s, he was actually living a property, owned by Jewish family, who had long since fled to the US, he was in touch with the wider family there, but I'm not sure when he came back he was able to find them.

One thing that the thought was interesting is the foreign minster was an active Calvinist minister (priest). Not only was that unusual in Hungary, it was very unusual for a soviet official, especially at the time. On the other hand it was going to to any ministry it is more likely yo be the foreign ministry.

But it was an example of how the Hungarians at least tried to do thing a bit different. I think also the fact they already had an uprising by this this time, the soviets realized, they needed to be in the shadows.

On thing that he told me that surprised me, is he said it was very 'safe' post compared to others. He was overtly every followed the whole time (and even if you took a photo they would step in frame), he even had someone pose as a defector (we joke it was a male honey trap, as he was single at the time). His argument was nothing at all happened without planing, and the states say so. So he had been to one Vietnam protest in Washington DC, there was a similar protest in Hungary, except it was totally organized, they were all coached it. Such a protest was not possible without the authorities ok'ing it.

He said and I agree, Putin's Russia is a far more risky place to be than even the USSR, just prior to the collapse. Everything goes, there is absolutely no certainty. That is not an enforcement of the soviet system, it was pretty devastating for a lot of people, but as far as knowing what to expect it is an easier post. Of course there was periods like putin's great purge. But just like Mao, no one quite want o admit these people aren't the heros they are held up to be though in reality, they totally wash their hands of them, and prefer to forget.



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20 Mar 2013, 12:08 pm

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No doubt, but first and foremost, average arabs dont have a "do what the f**k i want and get away with it" badge.
Huge sweeping generalisation. From what sources/figures did you use to conclude this?- Surely you couldn't have interviewed or observed all the Arabs in the world?

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...those arabs have been forced off their ancestral lands...
What ancestral homeland?!...Last time I checked, Arabs originated from Arabia and NOT Israel/the biblical land of Canaan.


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20 Mar 2013, 12:14 pm

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Huge sweeping generalisation. From what sources/figures did you use to conclude this?- Surely you couldn't have interviewed or observed all the Arabs in the world?

The Israeli security forces to all purposes, have a carte blanche in the occupied territories. I have no need to go there to find out a pre-conclusive answer.

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What ancestral homeland?!...Last time I checked, Arabs originated from Arabia and NOT Israel/the biblical land of Canaan.

Completely sidestepping the issue that between the demise of the land known as Judea and the British mandate, that area was under arab control.


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20 Mar 2013, 1:01 pm

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Huge sweeping generalisation. From what sources/figures did you use to conclude this?- Surely you couldn't have interviewed or observed all the Arabs in the world?

The Israeli security forces to all purposes, have a carte blanche in the occupied territories. I have no need to go there to find out a pre-conclusive answer.

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What ancestral homeland?!...Last time I checked, Arabs originated from Arabia and NOT Israel/the biblical land of Canaan.

Completely sidestepping the issue that between the demise of the land known as Judea and the British mandate, that area was under arab control.


The Indians used to own North America. Times change.

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20 Mar 2013, 1:29 pm

The Arabs did originate from Arabia, but that is mostly just a culture.

However as far as Canaanite blood then the Palestinians have more of it that European Jews, if we are going to split hairs, they are closer to the original Isrealites, hence why they are called semitic The point is they were converted to Islam.

However I think this is a silly argument.



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20 Mar 2013, 1:39 pm

It seems nobody gives a damn about this part:

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Exterminate Turkey and all the Arabs from the world

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Israeli border policeman Maxim Vinogradov expressed on Facebook his wish to kill Arabs and Turks


Ok, somebody out there has been fantasizing about my extermination because of... What?


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20 Mar 2013, 2:04 pm

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It seems nobody gives a damn about this part:
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Exterminate Turkey and all the Arabs from the world

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Israeli border policeman Maxim Vinogradov expressed on Facebook his wish to kill Arabs and Turks


Ok, somebody out there has been fantasizing about my extermination because of... What?

trying to extract reason out of racists is like trying to pick up a dog turd by the clean end.


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20 Mar 2013, 2:20 pm

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The Arabs did originate from Arabia, but that is mostly just a culture.

However as far as Canaanite blood then the Palestinians have more of it that European Jews, if we are going to split hairs, they are closer to the original Isrealites, hence why they are called semitic The point is they were converted to Islam.

However I think this is a silly argument.
I was bored...but, nevertheless thank you for your input. :)


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20 Mar 2013, 4:40 pm

KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
The Arabs did originate from Arabia, but that is mostly just a culture.

However as far as Canaanite blood then the Palestinians have more of it that European Jews, if we are going to split hairs, they are closer to the original Isrealites, hence why they are called semitic The point is they were converted to Islam.

However I think this is a silly argument.
I was bored...but, nevertheless thank you for your input. :)



There is a larger population of middle eastern jews than European in Israel if you want to split hairs. These jews have some of that good old Canaanite blood if you want to split hairs. Also the European jews share a lot of genes with the Mizrachim jews and have genetic origins can be traced back to the Middle East using mitochondrial DNA link2



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20 Mar 2013, 5:41 pm

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I really wish both sets of bigots in PPR would just shut up about Israel/Palestine. We get it, Israel/Palestine is great and Palestineans/Israelis are a bunch of murderous, anti-semetic/Islamphobic cowards who keep attacking innocent people. Do you really need to post a thread on every news story that supports your world view? It was bad enough when it was just Tequilla, but now thomas81 is doing just the same...


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20 Mar 2013, 6:51 pm

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There is a larger population of middle eastern jews than European in Israel if you want to split hairs. These jews have some of that good old Canaanite blood if you want to split hairs. Also the European jews share a lot of genes with the Mizrachim jews and have genetic origins can be traced back to the Middle East using mitochondrial DNA link2


The point was to illustrate the closeness of the people living religion despite religion. But also specifically dispute the lost tribes theory, which don't work with modern genetics. Ethiopian Jews for instance are no more the Dan tribe than any other group.

So also some link are just cultural. Just like it is with Celts as a whole.



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20 Mar 2013, 7:03 pm

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There is a larger population of middle eastern jews than European in Israel if you want to split hairs. These jews have some of that good old Canaanite blood if you want to split hairs. Also the European jews share a lot of genes with the Mizrachim jews and have genetic origins can be traced back to the Middle East using mitochondrial DNA link2


The point was to illustrate the closeness of the people living religion despite religion. But also specifically dispute the lost tribes theory, which don't work with modern genetics. Ethiopian Jews for instance are no more the Dan tribe than any other group.

So also some link are just cultural. Just like it is with Celts as a whole.


Well you said the Palestinians had more Semitic blood than European jews-I'm just saying more than half the jews in Israel are middle eastern or north African-so most Israeli jews have middle eastern semitic blood. I'm not saying anything about the lost tribes or anything like that I just wanted to clarify that for anyone who didn't know.



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20 Mar 2013, 7:15 pm

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I really wish both sets of bigots in PPR would just shut up about Israel/Palestine. We get it, Israel/Palestine is great and Palestineans/Israelis are a bunch of murderous, anti-semetic/Islamphobic cowards who keep attacking innocent people. Do you really need to post a thread on every news story that supports your world view? It was bad enough when it was just Tequilla, but now thomas81 is doing just the same...


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20 Mar 2013, 9:45 pm

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Huge sweeping generalisation. From what sources/figures did you use to conclude this?- Surely you couldn't have interviewed or observed all the Arabs in the world?

The Israeli security forces to all purposes, have a carte blanche in the occupied territories. I have no need to go there to find out a pre-conclusive answer.

KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:
What ancestral homeland?!...Last time I checked, Arabs originated from Arabia and NOT Israel/the biblical land of Canaan.

Completely sidestepping the issue that between the demise of the land known as Judea and the British mandate, that area was under arab control.


The Indians used to own North America. Times change.

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Different semantics. One major difference is that the native americans never asserted any ownership over the lands. The Palestinians, while albeit had no state, did.


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22 Mar 2013, 12:07 pm

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Well you said the Palestinians had more Semitic blood than European jews-I'm just saying more than half the jews in Israel are middle eastern or north African-so most Israeli jews have middle eastern semitic blood. I'm not saying anything about the lost tribes or anything like that I just wanted to clarify that for anyone who didn't know.


I'm not disputing this.

I wanted to point out that the differences were mostly in ideology, and mentality not origin. Palestinians and Arabs, are mostly Caucasian, most Jews are Caucasian, they have similar origins, but nothing is unadulterated.

I believe any states right to exit is to do with thriving in the present, if it thrives it has a right to exist, and the people have a right to self-determine. If you start introducing personal convictions, or divine right, or some civilization thousands of year back, that don't really work as far as international law for modern times.

So to me blood rights is an irrelevant argument, as far as international law is concerned.

This wasn't intended to be specifically addressed to you, just general points.

Half of Israelis is now of non-European origin, because the migrated because they didn't feel safe. The demographic has changed vastly. It has almost come full circle.