Margaret Thatcher has died

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08 Apr 2013, 6:25 pm

Some of the scenes from the Falls estate earlier tonight. Looks like a good party.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=13 ... =2&theater

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08 Apr 2013, 6:30 pm

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What, you mean in the same way that its more civilised not to fire, rather than destroying a retreating ship that was already outside the falklands exclusion zone before giving a thumbs up to callous headlines to the effect of 'GOTCHA' on the front cover of the following days redtop newspapers?

If you don't mind may, I correct you the vile rag that came out with the "GOTCHA" headline is not an newspaper its arse wipe of the lowest from! That rag with the same editor Kelvin MacKenzie (IMHO A vile product of the British media!) came up with "THE TRUTH" headline on 19 April 1989. It was Tory MP Irvine Patnick (Thatcher's room mate in Hell I hope) that told that rag that Liverpool fans "urinated on the brave cops, and picked pocked for the dead".

It just goes to show how 'civilised' the Tories are, IMHO Hillsborough happened on Thatcher's watch (Like other things her government did) so she is fair game!

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08 Apr 2013, 6:44 pm

Eh... it's beform my time but I have little sympathy to give for a person who single handily destroying the primary sector coal mining jobs and wrecking the livelihoods of many including those of my grand-parents. Still, it was a first for British politics being the only female prime minster... Wonder if we see another in my lifetime...

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08 Apr 2013, 7:01 pm

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What has Winston Churchill got to do with this?
Also, I was reporting the public mood round where I am.

Politically, Thatcher was a chip of Churchill's block. A continuity of world view and values.

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08 Apr 2013, 7:27 pm

I'm not from the UK but Margaret Thatcher is probably one of the most rigid and unsymphatetic female politicians I have ever seen. Not exactly a shining example for other female politicians and for woman in general. A bit harsh but I am not hypocritical enough to pretend otherwise now she has passed a way.

She should have worked as a dominatrix in a fetish slash SM club instead of becoming a prime minister. That would have been a more fitting career for her.

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08 Apr 2013, 8:19 pm

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I would not jump to that conclusion. She cleaned out the pig stye created by the labor party as it was constituted by Clement Atlee.

She reduced the amount of Fabian Socialist crap operating in Britain.

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08 Apr 2013, 9:38 pm

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Today is wonderful day on Merseyside!!

You have wonderful days on Merseyside?

Everyone I know is definitely not going to miss her, but at the same time they're not exactly elated because she's left all her mess behind.

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08 Apr 2013, 9:51 pm

thomas81 wrote:

Morrissey has pretty much summed it up well

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... c-20130408

He might be a total git (with the whole Smiths royalties case, etc) but sometimes he's right on message - which is impressive for someone who's lived in California for Dog knows how long (guess he doesn't need to live in Manchester because he is Manchester). I actually don't disagree with anything he just said there.

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08 Apr 2013, 10:21 pm

ruveyn wrote:

IDontGetIt wrote:

What has Winston Churchill got to do with this?
Also, I was reporting the public mood round where I am.

Politically, Thatcher was a chip of Churchill's block. A continuity of world view and values.

ruveyn

Hmmmm, world view perhaps, not so sure about values. I think they broke the mold with both, but I think Churchill was far more willing to change sides, often at the drop of a hat.

A pity that the US style of government will never produce someone like either.

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08 Apr 2013, 10:22 pm

Many are greaving, but the representatives of the Lullaby League, Lolipop guild, and residents of Munchkin land are celebatory due to the news of her departure.

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08 Apr 2013, 10:22 pm

I guess she was a tough old bat,but I didn't care for her or the Gipper.

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09 Apr 2013, 1:04 am

Both she and Reagan died of Alzheimer's. In either of their idealized worlds, poor Alzheimer sufferers would be left to die on the street.
Then there was that Goddamn poll tax on Thatcher's.

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09 Apr 2013, 1:20 am

Like her or loath her, the volume of celebrating that is going on in the UK right now over the death of a frail old lady is very distasteful.

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09 Apr 2013, 1:32 am

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Like her or loath her, the volume of celebrating that is going on in the UK right now over the death of a frail old lady is very distasteful.

That's the word I was looking for, distasteful. I might privately raise a drink or break out a particularly good cigar when a political nemesis dies (I'm lighting one with a Benjamin when Bloomberg croaks), but celebrating on the internet and throwing beer blasts in the street just feels so classless. I'm not even a particular fan of Thatcher, but I can't help but feel like she deserves more respect than this, on the basis of her humanity alone if for no other reason.

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09 Apr 2013, 3:01 am

Well, I'm not from that part of the globe, but I am old enough to remember. She was a vile, callous piece of proverbial, who had no mercy for her opposition or enemies, and no respect for those she considered beneath her. I don't believe in the " she died a frail old woman" lines either. Most people die frail and helpless.

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She lived as a tyrant, and if it were my relatives who suffered under her I would be celebrating too.

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09 Apr 2013, 3:19 am

thomas81 wrote:

pawelk1986 wrote:

Point for her, progressive idea and what it is?
You mean political correctness bull sh**:-)
I even understood her, and as for those members of the IRA were terrorists after all, they not ended in prison for innocence. If she had agreed to the request of one prisoner, they would be another demand, solo accommodation, prison cell etc.

Inmate threatens to commit suicide, and so what? It his / her life, and tax payer money wold be saved:-)

Obviously you've got no understanding of the Northern Ireland context, let alone what was happening during the darker days of the 70's and early 80's.

The IRA/INLA didn't blow up cars and kill soldiers because they enjoyed it. They did it because of a gerrymandering political system that ensured the status quo remained in the Unionist favour. They did it because nationalist homes were only being granted one vote per household. (Unionist households got one vote per resident). Also because protestants were being given preferential treatment when it came to housing and jobs. Thatchers policies were only serving to exacerbate nationalist alienation and hard feeling.

You can't take the imprisoned paramilitaries of either the republican or loyalist side and compare them to prisoners in somewhere like America or England. It is wholly different semantics.

Sorry, I read a little about the Northern Irish conflict, and now I understand more. But still not terrorism, and special considerations for terrorists in prison.
On the other hand my fellow Poles also could be described as terrorists, because members of the Polish resistance movement known as the Home Army did attacks on Nazi officials, German soldiers, Gestapo agents and SS.
A similar situation occurred after the war, my countrymen, organized attacks on members of the Soviet-imposed "government", the Communists called them terrorists and traitors.

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