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13 Apr 2013, 9:44 pm

The difference between God and the tooth fairy is that very few adults believe in the latter. Why do atheists like to compare them? It's stupid.



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13 Apr 2013, 10:50 pm

Similarities between a tooth fairy and a god -

-There is no proof for the existence of either
-Both are tales indoctrinated into children at a young age
-Both are examples of belief in a supernatural being which can be disproved by rational explanation


"When you understand why you dismiss all other gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen Roberts



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13 Apr 2013, 11:05 pm

Keni wrote:
Similarities between a tooth fairy and a god -

-There is no proof for the existence of either
-Both are tales indoctrinated into children at a young age
-Both are examples of belief in a supernatural being which can be disproved by rational explanation


"When you understand why you dismiss all other gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen Roberts


If the tooth fairy and God are so similar, why is that lots of adults believe in God, but very few believe in the tooth fairy?



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13 Apr 2013, 11:09 pm

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13 Apr 2013, 11:35 pm

PuppyDog wrote:
Keni wrote:
Similarities between a tooth fairy and a god -

-There is no proof for the existence of either
-Both are tales indoctrinated into children at a young age
-Both are examples of belief in a supernatural being which can be disproved by rational explanation


"When you understand why you dismiss all other gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen Roberts


If the tooth fairy and God are so similar, why is that lots of adults believe in God, but very few believe in the tooth fairy?


Because
- the tooth fairy is a comparatively recent invention with minimal elaboration. It is easy to discover the pretence, and no great loss when reality is proven.

- belief in a deity explained natural events at the beginning of human existence, and was used to frighten people into obeying social rules.
Religion developed into a profitable business, adapted, enhanced and enforced by the priests who benefited.

- there are religions that still believe the earth is flat, that mental and physical illness is demon possession, that women are not intelligent and should be subservient to men - because ancient books written by men tell them that this is the true word of their deity.

-many religions have changed and discarded these beliefs when it became apparent the books were written by people who had no knowledge of astronomy, medicine or other scientific facts.

Many of us see the entire construct of religion as the well meaning attempts of ancient people to make sense of the world. (And slightly less ancient people to make a profit from it)
Most atheists only see a problem in religious belief when it harms or infringes on non-believers.



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14 Apr 2013, 3:23 am

Keni wrote:
-Both are examples of belief in a supernatural being which can be disproved by rational explanation


Really? I'd love to see you prove the non-existence of God!

On the original topic - scientists don't generally hate God, it's simply something irrelevant to science, because it's not a hypothesis that makes any testable predictions. Outside of their work some scientists do hate God, but some also love God - and everything in-between.



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14 Apr 2013, 8:10 am

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Keni wrote:
-Both are examples of belief in a supernatural being which can be disproved by rational explanation


Really? I'd love to see you prove the non-existence of God!

On the original topic - scientists don't generally hate God, it's simply something irrelevant to science, because it's not a hypothesis that makes any testable predictions. Outside of their work some scientists do hate God, but some also love God - and everything in-between.


This.



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14 Apr 2013, 9:04 am

I do not think it is a case of scientists hating God at all. Scientists are just doing the job of being a scientist. To be a scientist you must be completely objective. I dont believe any scientist is trying to disprove God. I think that it is just the results of scientific study contradict the timeline laid out in the bible. Science does not mention God, yea or nea.

To me, it is more a case of Christians disagreeing with the findings of science and becoming defensive. There should be room for swcince and God. Maybe Christians should be more willing to evolve, especially considering how many revisions there have already been to whatever exists of an original bible. It is obvious Christians have moved on their positions before.



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14 Apr 2013, 10:51 am

khaoz wrote:
I do not think it is a case of scientists hating God at all. Scientists are just doing the job of being a scientist. To be a scientist you must be completely objective. I dont believe any scientist is trying to disprove God. I think that it is just the results of scientific study contradict the timeline laid out in the bible. Science does not mention God, yea or nea.

To me, it is more a case of Christians disagreeing with the findings of science and becoming defensive. There should be room for swcince and God. Maybe Christians should be more willing to evolve, especially considering how many revisions there have already been to whatever exists of an original bible. It is obvious Christians have moved on their positions before.
The problem with that is that most christians hate the word evolve or even the concept of evolution!They react to it like a vampire would react to sunlight!![youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V_2r2n4b5c[/youtube]When there is by far more proof of evolution as well as evidence! The earth has been proven to be by far more than 6000 years old since there have been civilizations 30000 years old etc!


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14 Apr 2013, 10:56 am

PuppyDog wrote:

If the tooth fairy and God are so similar, why is that lots of adults believe in God, but very few believe in the tooth fairy?


The Tooth Fairy does not promise us life eternal. The best deal we can get is maybe a dollar for a molar.

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14 Apr 2013, 12:00 pm

ruveyn wrote:
PuppyDog wrote:

If the tooth fairy and God are so similar, why is that lots of adults believe in God, but very few believe in the tooth fairy?


The Tooth Fairy does not promise us life eternal. The best deal we can get is maybe a dollar for a molar.

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14 Apr 2013, 12:01 pm

René Descartes wanted to find the basis of our knowledge. (Rationalism)
Scientists are trying to examine this "Higgs Boson", pretty much to confirm the Science's paradigm and how our world was when Big Bang occured. (Empiricism)
Both are trying to get the basis, their own way. The so called "Agnostic Scientists" are trying to contradict the idea of a almighty figure and in that aspect they can hate God - if it is hard to rationally prove that there's a God then it is equally prove that he doesn't exist.

Scientists can have creeds too. Science doesn't imply that you have to be an imperious ATHEIST.



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14 Apr 2013, 12:18 pm

BeautifulTechno wrote:
René Descartes wanted to find the basis of our knowledge. (Rationalism)
Scientists are trying to examine this "Higgs Boson", pretty much to confirm the Science's paradigm and how our world was when Big Bang occured. (Empiricism)
Both are trying to get the basis, their own way. The so called "Agnostic Scientists" are trying to contradict the idea of a almighty figure and in that aspect they can hate God - if it is hard to rationally prove that there's a God then it is equally prove that he doesn't exist.

Scientists can have creeds too. Science doesn't imply that you have to be an imperious ATHEIST.
Precisely a scientist can be a believer but will have to apply both and merge both in one based on accurate facts to work out. Example most Christians dont believe in evolution and that god created all life forms perfectly and that the earth is only 6k years old etc, how about this lets say gods interpretation of the world and life and the universe taking only like 6 days = 6 billion years and that gods perfect designs were meant to evolve to stay perfect to evolve over time!


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14 Apr 2013, 4:03 pm

"God disproved by rational explanation"

^^^Yes I made a mess of that didn't I? :oops:
I was thinking of religious literature explaining natural events as supernatural.



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14 Apr 2013, 4:23 pm

that being an atheist or not believing in God means that somene hates God. God i just irrational to me. I see no evidence or proof of the existence of a God, so how can I hate what I do not believe?



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14 Apr 2013, 4:50 pm

They don't.

I think some people have got this a bit backwards. Scientists simply wanted to practice, some religious people just didn't like this, which is the crux of any conflict with scientists.

As there have been run-ins before, scientist opened up the same type of inquiry towards these groups, that is normal in the scientific community.

If they are atheist the don't believe in god, therefore they are unlikely to hate something they don't believe in.

So if some religious people have a persecution complex because of it, they should consider their position.

It is not tolerant to expect tolerance of intolerance.

There is also another issue where some people equate disbelief as some kind of attack or hate. It is simply not the case.

There is no reason for there to be any conflict, so long as they aren't trying to interfere in each other's affairs.