It's stupid when feminists say that porn is misogynistic

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Well I've never had any need for it in my life

I can tolerate the soft porn that seems to turn up in most cable TV dramas these says like 'Game of Thrones' as there is a decent story and the sex isn't excessive. The sex parts are the boring parts to me though; they get in the way of the story.

What about a person with zero interest in porn who spends his time at monster truck rallies, versus the person who enjoys porn but also reads Plato and listens to Mozart?

It was the most shocking end to a film I've ever seen - I was referring to the woman who becomes a drug addict and was forced to perform in some horrible sex show to earn the money for her drugs. The film was the most unremittingly bleak thing I've ever seen and even though I bought it on DVD after seeing it at the cinema for my birthday one year, I've never watched it a 2nd time as it was too gruelling! A person in the cinema told me to 'Shhhh!' for unwrapping my sweets as well

I wasn't saying the film itself is like porn, I was saying the film showed the reality of the sex industry and by association the porn industry as well as the two are directly linked.

I bet that doesn't happen very often!

I've debated my point perfectly well - you're the one resorting to insults and telling me to leave - I'd hardly call that a mature debating style. "Please leave the arena as you're showing me up" is what your replies are tantamount to saying - it's always the same when a person makes an well argued point - people turn on you. Disagree with my points by all means but don't tell me to leave the forum - I think you'll find that's bullying.

I know from experience that it does. I have friends (or at least acquaintances) who straddle all levels of intellect. I have a friend who is going to study PPE at Oxford, another friend who is going to study Medicine at Cambridge, all being well, and they make jokes about porn just as often as people who are going to university to study Sports Psychology or Media Studies at third-rate universities because it is something to do for three years. They're a lot less likely to make jokes about sex though...

Sex drives don't pay attention to intellect, and all people sometimes want "light" entertainment to help them relax.

I said the porn and sex industries - both degrade the people involved in them and are linked. How do you know every woman who you watch in porn is doing it of her own free will and hasn't been sex trafficked? You can't know but I don't think you'd care either way - this is why all this stuff goes on, because there's always a market for it and the people who like it just don't care. I don't like people being like that.

Porn isn't evil; some people are though and a lot more don't care how the porn is produced as long as they get off.

It's the 'My pleasure is all that matters, sod anyone else's welfare' attitude

You're right and morality is not connected to intellect either.

You are delusional. You are the one making judgements on people and essentially calling them subhuman. Then you threaten to "report" me when you get called out for it, are you for real? You're not trolling are you? 'Because if you are, then bravo you are a master. If you want to debate me, respond to the points I make in my posts or don't reply, that simple. If you want to continue this conversation, then don't cry when somebody gives you an honest assessment of your postings and threaten to "report" them.

No I don't want to continue this conversation with you. Other people have been able to make their point in a far more reasonable manner. Your posts typify what I meant when I talked about the pointlessness of the debate. Take strong note that hardly anyone/no one else is debating this issue on the anti-porn side - I wonder why? (Hint - it's not because they all love watching porn) - it's because most people have the sense to keep well out of it as the outcome of such a debate is inevitable.

You are quite correct about PPR being of a certain nature. It's definitely home to a certain 'type' that's for sure!

Don't worry little boys - no one's going to take your porn away from you

The problem with this analogy is that you don't quantify what 'too much porn' is and you don't give a compelling example of what the negative effects of 'too much porn' would be. It's not like your hands get hairy or you go blind. On a personal level there are no bad effects. I look at porn all the time. Nearly every day probably, multiple times a day. When do I officially become a terrible human being?


Said from the white woman in a first world country, sitting in front of her computer that was manufactured in some 3rd world s**thole, possibly by children. Let's make sure we have everything in perspective here: everything you have ever consumed, everything you have ever enjoyed, everything you need to sustain yourself could potentially have been produced at the severe expense of someone else. This is due to forces far beyond your control. If you lived by the principle of avoiding anything that may have been made through coercion, I contend that you would starve to death or have such a dramatically reduced quality of life that it is no longer worth living. To reuse your chocolate analogy, who do you think picked that chocolate and how much do you think they were paid?

The reason other people in the thread seem to think you're more interested in policing their sex lives as opposed to preventing actual coercion, is that you're only showing this interest when it relates to a recreational interest that you conveniently don't have and that other people do. Someone who doesn't drink coffee or eat chocolate could do the same--accuse everyone else who enjoys those things of supporting some evil industry that hurts a lot of people in a sh***y country somewhere. At the end of the day, it's meaningless words. It's an artificial horse you can sit on.

That's not to say there isn't a legitimate point to be made with regards to sex trafficking or subjugating farmers it's just that your way of framing it is deliberately mean-spirited and condescending. I would contend the problems with all these industries are not the result of indecent desires that human beings have. The problems are more economic in nature.

Nice self-justification there

Just keep watching your porn

I feel slimed whenever I enter these debates so glad to leave!

I imagine nobody else is arguing the other side of the issue because you are in the minority of the opinion which is fine, you can believe what you want. You're painting with a broad brush, you can't just say porn this and porn that since it's as varied as any other form of human expression. Continuing to make such generalizations either suggests ignorance or that you're not really serious about actually having a discussion and in that case PPR is not for you. I'm certainly not a fan of all porn, we all have our preferences and tastes. What one person gets off on might be disgusting to another. Difference being is that I don't judge other people and I certainly support their right to freedom of expression as long as they're consenting adults. It's such a weird to be hung on sexuality, it's just so puritanical but at the same time hardly nobody bats an eye at actual physical violence.

You have not debated your point well. What you've done is say repeatedly that porn is bad (as if saying so would make it so); question the morality, intelligence, honesty, and good will of anyone who watches porn (and then complain that you are being insulted!); and say that a chain of vague connections of some type or other are enough to say that two things are practically the same.

nessa238 has agreed to withdraw from this discussion.

Is that so they can be looked upon as out-of-touch, moralising, prudish bores too?