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How should the elderly be cared for?
Family members should take care of them 47%  47%  [ 9 ]
The government or employers should take responsibility for them 21%  21%  [ 4 ]
They should be consigned to die in the gutter 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I have another totally creative idea (specify) 11%  11%  [ 2 ]
The originator of this thread is a poopyhead 21%  21%  [ 4 ]
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17 Jun 2013, 2:51 pm

/\ What makes that particular carrier even more special is it's name, USS Ronald Reagan; a bullyish display of US military might with a name that is a gut punch to all liberals.
Gotta love it. :D


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17 Jun 2013, 3:36 pm

The Gipper :eew: :eew: :eew:
I bet air traffic controllers don't think highly of him either.


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18 Jun 2013, 2:39 pm

I think the family should take care of the first and then the government if the family can't or they have no family. We took care of my grandmother and I'll have to take care of my mother if I can but there won't be anyone to take care of me.



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18 Jun 2013, 3:44 pm

It´s unrealistic to expect either (state or family) to be able to carry the burden all on their own. Money doesn´t grow on trees, so if the state is solely responsible, it´ll run into debt very soon. Family may be unable to take care of their parents for any number of reasons, the number one reason probably being lack of time and/or money.

In the Dutch welfare system, the nation takes care of the elderly as a collective. We have a social insurance bank to which everybody over 18 contributes a percentage of their income. People who have done so for 40 years or more are entitled to a state pension (it may surprise you that that includes princess Beatrix, former Queen of the Netherlands, or anyone else that´s very rich). Retired people here prefer to remain independent for as long as it is in any way possible. While help from family is encouraged (and often given), there are services available through the healthcare system to care for elderly people at home. This may be simply a help to do the more demanding housecleaning, ´meals on wheels´, or more extensive care if there is a need for that.

Since the 17th century we´ve also had homes for the elderly. They´re not nursing homes. In these facilities, the elderly have their own house or appartment, but with extra services available you won´t normally have in a regular appartment building or housing block.



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24 Jun 2013, 5:11 pm

Misslizard wrote:
The Gipper :eew: :eew: :eew:
I bet air traffic controllers don't think highly of him either.


The name change of the Washington National Airport was a brilliant gut punch.



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24 Jun 2013, 5:19 pm

^^^What did the Gipper ever do that was so great?The movie Aladdin supposedly based the kindly old sultan on Reagan and Jafar on Nancy.I have no idea to the validity of this.Just a random weird possible fact.


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11 Jul 2013, 5:29 pm

It is an offence to even contemplate bad practice in an institute where health should become the forefront of the governments national health campaign to crack down on people who illegally serve and continually betray a cause aimed to give the elderly the care and attention they deserve.
So much so that now, you must require a level 2 in healthcare (soon) to work unsupervised with any aging member of the population and, prepare to be scrutinised heavily by all working counterparts of the active community.



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11 Jul 2013, 6:24 pm

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^^^What did the Gipper ever do that was so great?The movie Aladdin supposedly based the kindly old sultan on Reagan and Jafar on Nancy.I have no idea to the validity of this.Just a random weird possible fact.


The Gipper provided blessed relief from the misery of the Carter Administration. You had to be there to appreciate what a miserable experience it was having Jimmy Carter as president. The misery index which is the unemployment rate place the inflation rate was at an all time high under Carter.

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11 Jul 2013, 6:30 pm

The fact that the left hates The Gippper so much says a lot in itself.


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11 Jul 2013, 7:02 pm

The Gipper threw a bunch of mentally ill people out on the street.And the Just say No campaign was a joke,more like just say yo.Yo to that Contra cocaine.
I remember where I was at when the Gipper got shot,sitting around with a bunch of other stoner teenagers.We wore more concerned that the ice cream truck (the Dinky Pinky :lol:)
was late.Nothing like people's reaction to Kennedy's shooting.


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11 Jul 2013, 7:36 pm

I guess the ice cream truck didnt show up at all the day Kennedy got whacked since that seems to be more important in your world.


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11 Jul 2013, 7:46 pm

I was not born in 1963.just for the record,all those stoner kids were USAF brats.
I'm sure he is very popular with those air traffic controllers that got fired.A good percent of them were former military.Maybe if he has helped the mentally ill, he would not gave been shot by a nut job.


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11 Jul 2013, 8:08 pm

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I was not born in 1963.just for the record,all those stoner kids were USAF brats.
I'm sure he is very popular with those air traffic controllers that got fired.A good percent of them were former military.Maybe if he has helped the mentally ill, he would not gave been shot by a nut job.


Carter was better?


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11 Jul 2013, 8:57 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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She isn't going to come out and say "Consign the non-virtuous elderly to the gutter!" When you work through her logic, what other conclusion exists?


Several other conclusions. The major conclusion as that the children of a family take care of their elders. It is not the proper function of society at large or the State.

Mom and Dad brought us up. The least we can do is see to their needs when they are old. How is that for a conclusion?

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and if the kids can't afford to keep Mom and Dad in any sort of comfort? Do they just die when they start to require medical care?
Rand's philosophy of 'looking out for number one' never, to my knowledge, made any exceptions for either children or the elderly, and she absolutely abhored the idea of charity for the handicapped and non-neurotypical such as many of us. I'm lucky enough to be functional enough to hold down a good job, but a lot of the people here on WP are not; Rand would have been among the first to kick those people out onto the street, preferably to die and get out of the way of everyone else.



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11 Jul 2013, 9:14 pm

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Misslizard wrote:
I was not born in 1963.just for the record,all those stoner kids were USAF brats.
I'm sure he is very popular with those air traffic controllers that got fired.A good percent of them were former military.Maybe if he has helped the mentally ill, he would not gave been shot by a nut job.


Carter was better?


Hypothetical scenario,Carter wanted solar and advocated to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels and imported oil.let's say we did that.Where would we be now?Maybe all these men and women wouldn't be dying overseas,blood for oil.Maybe no US involvement in the gulf.
http://www.votevets.org/home
They are for clean energy.
I think Carter is a nicer person,can't imagine Reagan building a house for a poor person.He made bad choices,they all do.I don't like Obama saying there is clean coal,or his stand on fracking for natural gas.


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11 Jul 2013, 10:12 pm

Carter told the American people something that they didn't want to hear: that we couldn't afford to keep on living the way that we had been. Regan spent up the defecit to employ people in the military-industrial complex while protecting our access to cheap oil and other commodities, thus delaying the inevitable while making billions of people hate us.