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14 Jul 2013, 8:56 pm

Sigh……. :roll: I’m just going to hit on a few of these.

Master_Pedant wrote:

I'm probably going to cross any State with a "Stand your ground law" off the bucket list as murderers have a perfect get out of jail free card - kill the witness & claim to be standing your ground. Being a casualty there is a scenario I feel I would quite dislike.

Has it ever occurred to you that these SYG laws save lives? Or that the reason they were enacted was in response to REAL murderers? Whatever, though, I doubt those states will miss you.

nominalist wrote:

Okay, well, the laws of each state will need to be considered one by one. I know that Governor Jeb Bush's support for stand your ground in Florida (or whatever you want to call it) inspired other states.

The Florida statute is the only one I have looked at, and I think it is problematic - especially given that state's checkered racial history. Officials are looking into it, too.

There’s nothing to reconsider or fix. I don’t see any state changing anything without risking considerable backlash from the citizens whose lives those laws were passed to protect. It’s obvious that your kind wants to ride the wave of emotion from the Zimmerman / Martin incident and try and re-write (repeal) any self-defense related law ever enacted.
Cheap, and in incredibly poor taste.

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zer0netgain wrote:

Do you live in the USA?

I do, yes.

zer0netgain wrote:

I can tell you that in more and more urban areas, it's a jungle.

A "jungle," eh? Are you aware of the history of using that term in relation to African Americans?

It is what it is. Urban areas and even some suburban areas ARE jungles and trying to make a race thing out of it won’t change anything. What never fails to baffle me is that the big city types like yourself aren't even aware of the environments you live in because of the bubble you've created for yourselves.

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14 Jul 2013, 9:06 pm

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0bey1sh1n0b1 wrote:

I'll dig my hole don't worry about that. The fact of the matter is I no racism better than your Jim Crow South theory.

You misspelled the word "know."

Ha can't attack my stance so let's attack my spelling. Classic! I type fast so what if I miss a word here and there. If it took you long to figure out the actual meaning then I fell sorry for you.

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14 Jul 2013, 9:08 pm

^ He's just warming up, kid. You might want to check your punctuation and grammar too, while you're at it.

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14 Jul 2013, 9:23 pm

Fnord wrote:

^ He's just warming up, kid. You might want to check your punctuation and grammar too, while you're at it.

I thought we were talking about Zimmerman not 0bey1's grammar. I am horrible at grammar and could careless if I miss spell or not. But if you can't make sense of what I'm saying, which is still the English language, then I feel sorry for the reader. I write like a talk and the people I talk to around me understand me perfectly well.

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14 Jul 2013, 10:12 pm

Raptor wrote:

What bubble have I created for myself? By choice, I also live, right now, in a predominantly minority (Black and Latino) neighborhood. I lived in a similar neighborhood back when I was in Macon, GA, for 4 years.

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14 Jul 2013, 10:13 pm

Raptor wrote:

Has it ever occurred to you that these SYG laws save lives?

Has it ever occurred to you that they could kill more people than they save?

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Or that the reason they were enacted was in response to REAL murderers?

Gun regulation laws are also enacted in response to "REAL murderers" (which, likely impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt given the other witness is dead, George Zimmerman would likely fall under).

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Whatever, though, I doubt those states will miss you.

Feeling is mutual. Enough mosquitoes as it is where I live without going to the "let's cut malaria control" State of Rick Scott.

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14 Jul 2013, 10:13 pm

0bey1sh1n0b1 wrote:

Fnord wrote:

^ He's just warming up, kid. You might want to check your punctuation and grammar too, while you're at it.

Not to derail this thread too much, and not to attack - but you really should consider improving your grammar. It's very difficult to read one of your posts and understand the point you're trying to make - I've had to reread several of your posts multiple times to discern your meaning.

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14 Jul 2013, 10:15 pm

0bey1sh1n0b1 wrote:

I pointed out your spelling because of the context (and the irony). You said that you "no" [sic] more than Jim Crow theory. What is Jim Crow theory? Jim Crow refers to legislation, not theory. Although there is something called (rarely) Jim Crow theory, it has nothing to do with what we were discussing.

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14 Jul 2013, 10:16 pm

@Raptor & Nominalist: You two are among my favorite WP members, because you BOTH make sense to me. So please find some common ground, okay?

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14 Jul 2013, 10:19 pm

Fnord wrote:

@Raptor & Nominalist: You two are among my favorite WP members, because you BOTH make sense to me. So please find some common ground, okay?

lol. Thank you. I am always open to finding common ground. However, I am also a civil rights activist. If someone is an Autistic rights activist, she or he shouldn't be inconsistent and oppose civil rights for racial minorities.

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14 Jul 2013, 10:26 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Has it ever occurred to you that these SYG laws save lives?

Has it ever occurred to you that they could kill more people than they save?

Only hypothetically and then only to an alarmist handwringers.

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Raptor wrote:

Or that the reason they were enacted was in response to REAL murderers?

Sure, the best way to curb crime is to make it hard for the law abiding to protect themselves against the non-law abiding. :roll:

No one mentioned gun laws yet but it doesnt surprise me that you'd want to take this thread there.

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Raptor wrote:

Whatever, though, I doubt those states will miss you.

Feeling is mutual. Enough mosquitoes as it is where I live without going to the "let's cut malaria control" State of Rick Scott.

Why not go to Florida? You'll see many of your old neighbors and several relatives there among all the other Canadians and yankees.

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14 Jul 2013, 10:27 pm

What I think raptor means is that urban areas have much higher crime rates than other areas, and much higher disparity of wealth in a much more concentrated area. It has nothing to do with race.

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14 Jul 2013, 10:37 pm

Fnord wrote:

@Raptor & Nominalist: You two are among my favorite WP members, because you BOTH make sense to me. So please find some common ground, okay?

Sarcasm, I hope.
There is no common ground between us. We've had discourse before on similar topics so I know from experience that there can be none.

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14 Jul 2013, 10:51 pm

If I lived in an urban area I would have a gun,when I stayed in St.Louis I was woke up by several gun shots.If the criminals can get guns than I should be able to have one myself.I've been away from big cities for a long time,I noticed a lot of the stores in SL had rentacops with guns.

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14 Jul 2013, 11:05 pm

sliqua-jcooter wrote:

What I think raptor means is that urban areas have much higher crime rates than other areas, and much higher disparity of wealth in a much more concentrated area. It has nothing to do with race.

It is much more complicated than that. Violent crimes are higher in urban areas. The victims of those crimes are, for the most part, other people in their own communities (not people from outside). White collar crimes are more common in suburbs. Other types of crime vary from region to region.

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14 Jul 2013, 11:06 pm

Raptor wrote:

There is no common ground between us. We've had discourse before on similar topics so I know from experience that there can be none.

There is always the possibility of finding common ground.

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