The US Government Shut-Down - Whom to Blame

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The problem with Obamacare and several other things is the projected cost is much more than government income.

Second, this is a wealth transfer to Insurance, Medical, and Drugs, who compared to all other industrial countries are overpriced and provide a low level and quality of service. Europe, Canada, have universal health care at half the price, and it is universal, no need to sell insurance.

Universal health care reduces the need for expensive late treatment.

The American diet is a leading cause of health problems, the one third obease is a health train wreck happening.

Reality is that which is still there even if you do not like it.

Reality is spending has to slow down, the National Debt, continuing to spend above income, is what has destroyed every government.

In 1963 a dollar was an ounce of Silver, it is now close to 3% of that.

The numbers may be larger, but we are getting poorer.

The main cause is government. It feeds on the wealth of the people faster than they can produce it. It is not just your income being taxed, it is your savings.

Government passes the laws they are paid to pass, not counting the People, who fund them. Insurance,Medical, Drugs, paid for Obama Care, to prevent just having Canada set up a North American system of health care.

We can have Universal Health Care at half the price, like Canada and Europe, or we can have this Special Interest Law that will bankrupt the country.

Laws come from the House, there they start, and there they die.

The simple view is we spend half on the Military Industrial Complex, half on Social Security, and a Trillion more in debt every year.

So where does the money come from?

Obama Care will take from the young and healthy, and give to a bloated Insurance/Medical sector. It is a Health Tax. It is being run by the IRS.

True, medical costs are the leading cause of bankruptcy, also of death. It is also a fact that more people die of medical errors than from automobiles and murder. Its OK, they are Insured.

With the War Babies retiring, government is set to pay out all that money they squandered, that alone is more than they have. Adding new costs, the National Debt will go up and up till the crash.

Simple economics, spend enough, your money becomes worthless.

No matter what, almost everyone alive today will be dead in a hundred years. Spending more on their medical care will not change that.

For the War Babies it is closer to thirty years, the next thirty years,

The Government does not have the money to pay for their Social Security and healthcare.

To stay somewhat solvent, spending has to decline.

This Insurance/Medical/Drug welfare program called Obamacare should be ended.

I would be in favor of contracting out National Health Care to the Canadians. They regulate such things in the national interests. Health Care and Education should not be private profit centers.

Bankrupt with worthless money is how nations fall, and it must be because a Negro is in the Whitehouse. So much for the race card, next I expect him to come out of the closet. People only object to Obamacare because he is gay.

Look at the demographics of the next thirty years, we are going through a deep hole, then it will get better, if we survive. If we do not, we will take the whole world down with us.

Look at the Germans, they cut spending, and now have a high quality of life, a growing economy, good health care, education.

You cannot spend your way out of debt.

This one's my favourite Tea Party placard
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Personally, I think that congress should be paid minimum wage. They all claim to work for the interest of the average American, so maybe they should get paychecks that show them what a tiny amount of take home pay so many Americans have to live on. I know that almost every single one of them is independently wealthy, but I don't think any of them are connected to reality. Maybe seeing that ridiculously tiny paycheck (after federal/state/local taxes, health insurance premiums, retirement/401k deductions, etc) will give them a little bit of perspective.

You bet. Watch the Minimum Wage go way up then

I know it won't happen but i'd like to anyway. That's how I feel.

I think that they should take the money they will earn during the shutdown, pool it together, and distribute it evenly, through some kind of emergency temporary fund, to all the people who arent being paid while the government is on shutdown, thousands of people, many of whom have family's and live paycheck to paycheck

Unfortunately, there will be no money saved by the government shutdown. All furloughed employees will be paid their full salaries for their furlough once the shutdown ends. The costs associated with stopping and starting services comes at a very high price, and most of the work that goes undone will still need to be done, which means large amounts of overtime pay to make up for all the lost man hours. Not to mention the fact that many furloughed government employees are currently looking for other work, which means many won't come back even after the shutdown ends, which will result in a small fortune spent for replacements.

The only way that it could start saving the government money is if the shutdown lasts so long that some services are permanently shutdown, many higher paid long-term employees take early retirement, and government contractors begin to exercise the clauses to discontinue the contract for non-payment.

You can be sure that the curtailments will save little if any money but will inflict the maximum hardship and pain per dollar not spent. The President will direct the cutbacks in such as way the the impact on Republicans in the next election will be maximized.

ruveyn

Look at all the companies who are now finding it too expensive to provide health care for their employees and so they are closing their plans and letting the employees buy it themselves. Not only that, but many are cutting hours of those employees leaving the employees to buy their "affordable" health care with less money. Looks to me like it is the every day working men and women who are losing big time on this.

I'm no expert on insurance prices, but I read a commentary when they released their sample prices that the actual prices had gone up quite a bit and that they are only less expensive if the government pays enough of the premiums.

I don't see this as a win at all.

Is this a win?



Note the message at the bottom that ends with "I am however back in the same position, NO HEALTH CARE".

I'm wondering what followed in that message. Perhaps it had to do with the additional penalties he will have for not being able to afford the "affordable health care".

I applaud the gullibility of Americans.

Put the IRS into health care, who thought that would work out well? ANYONE?

The IRS has ways to get their money. They can do exactly as that post says. The BS that they would have no ability to collect is just that....B.S.

I blame everyone for this. Wait till the debt ceiling hits. It's like I learned with credit cards, you can keep asking for raises, but eventually they say no and your f****d.

Why do unions and big business get an extra year, but I have to have health insurance or face a fine now? If Obama is so proud of Obamacare, why are key parts being pushed off until after the 2014 election?

That said, I think the Republicans played this wrong. They should have forced Obamacare be funded and fully implemented Jan 1st 2014. From what I am hearing about people's rates going up, it would be a blood bath for Dems in 2014.

whatever. you are totally ignoring the TP assault on the working class. your verbiage is totally irrelevant to the demonstrable fact that the TP via its actions in congress is demonstrably denying me affordable health care which is a HUMAN RIGHT that the lions' share of other western nations provide for ALL of their citizens. the debt is just a smoke screen for effed up national priorities, guns over butter. I suggest you avoid my posts.

This is a ruse by Republicans to try and extort a comprise from Obama on his historic health care plan. Regardless of their ploy, ObamaCare will be implemented and their attempts to prevent it will be futile and decidedly counterproductive. Republicans continue to brazenly employ duplicitous tactics, and their aversion to Obama is so potent that regardless of how their ploys hurt the American people they’ll engage in them nevertheless. They’ve become abjectly embarrassing to the US people and aren’t representative of America’s population.

I am embarrassed as all get out to be an American right now, we are an international laughing stock. to those those keep trotting out the "let them eat cake" equivalent phrase "love it or leave it," I have but the raspberry for them.