Do most aspies like offending people with religious talk?

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Well, I already did know that about crucifixion, but I didn't mention it so much since I didn't want to make my post book-length. They'll also break the victim's legs if they're taking too long to die or out of mercy, since breaking their legs stops them from pushing themselves up to breathe and they end up expiring in a few minutes. They'll also spear them in the chest or stomach to make sure they're actually dead, and not simply 'out of it.' Once the victim died, they were often left to rot on their crosses, and Jesus being entombed wasn't something that was usual.

And surviving a crucifixion is very very rare, of the three known instances that I know of where the people survived, all three were taken down while known to be still alive, and out of those, only one lived as the immediate aftereffects of their crucifixion still killed the other two. Crucifixion is meant to kill from start to finish and do it in the most brutal and drawn out fashion as possible, which is why people are fighting to ban it in the Islamic countries where it is still used.


As my browser won't let me view the video, I'm guessing the BBC's major 'source' was Nicholas Notovitch?

Call it mocking if you will, I would suggest it is instead pointing out that you are trying to get others to behave in a way which befits your religious belief, using beliefs which are in contravention of the known facts. It is for this reason that I and many others take you and your comrades to task. I have not mocked you I have instead carefully given you the evidence and tools to search out the truth for yourself, I have given you enough evidence that at the very least you should have enough doubt in your understanding of things that you stop making statements like;

"I do think homosexuality is an evil behavior"

and (regarding suicidal and pathological thoughts) "This sounds like demonic activity to me, so my first advice would be to hit your knees and pray, If you haven't accepted Christ as Lord and Savior, ask yourself why"

and "the main question isn't just if homosexuals want to stop that life, but why. If they feel pressured from their family or friends, that's not enough. They have to want it for two reasons, and two only: God and themselves. Only then will it work, and the solution won't be easy. Satan doesn't fight those he sees as no threat, but he'll bring out every temptation against anyone seeking to follow God's will"

Hopefully we have shown you enough information that you stop trying to persuade others that their way of life is an abomination to the Lord. You and all the other religious fundamentalists have no right to intervene in the lives of others in the way that you do. When people are simply going about their business, not hurting anyone, not interfering in the lives of anyone but those who they associate with, not demanding anything more than equal rights, how dare you and your ilk put pressure on them, and on society as a whole to change their behaviour simply because it contravenes your "faith". I would still oppose this even if your faith had a shred of evidence supporting it, however your faith has NO supporting evidence, and much of what you use to justify your desire regarding the behaviour of others is demonstrably wrong. So stick to your erroneous beliefs but stop interfering in the lives of those who are far better off without it. Then you might find people like myself back off. And as for telling someone who has suicidal thoughts brought about by a fear of committing murder, to pray to god to remove the demon. That takes your intervention via faith to a whole new and very dangerous level.

It's disgusting when it happens. I don't like bashing religions... Some people I know who are religious are my best friends, I care more about ethics and positivity and progress rather than reflecting negatively on something, especially something so deep in someone's mind such as religion...Can you imagine what it feels like to be told "Your whole life is a lie"? I don't even talk about vegetarianism in too much detail for fear of offending people, and that's something mainstream I CARE ABOUT; in fact, it's one of the few problems I DO have with religions (aside from obviously that I sadly believe they are incorrect).

For one thing...my great-aunt just died from Hepatitis C this morning, and my mama's aunt died two weeks ago- she had been decrepit with dementia living in a Pakistani slum...Yeah, I think it's more important to focus on these things.

Second...when the need does arise for correction, remember that old phrase about flies, vinegar, and honey.

Having a religious belief doesn't equal following a religion.

I believe that the Christian God is a creation of man, not the other way around. That is a belief about religion, I would therefore classify it as a religious belief, an atheist belief.

Maybe there is confusion here between "belief" and "faith", completely different concepts.
There is an implication that non Christians haven't thought about it and therefore have no beliefs, this is a false assumption.

I believe many things, including about "supernatural" things, I don't follow a religion, but I do have beliefs on the subject.

May I, with respect, edit your statement to read "having a belief in God doesn't equal following a religion" this I can, I thnk, agree with.

Wrong. Atheism is not simply a non belief in the Christian God it is non belief in all gods, and therefore by defintion flows onto a non belief in all religious belief and faith. That most atheists would also deny the existence of anything supernatural does not mean atheism equals a non belief in all forms of the supernatural.


Generally speaking you seem to identify with a Deistic principle. ie god/gods exist but do not interfere with the daily running of lives.

Thank you for expanding on what I said, I think we are in basic agreement, but I don't think my example of an atheist belief is wrong, it is incomplete as it is only one example, but still a valid example in response to the former claim that there is no such thing as an atheist belief.

Frequently I believe in reincarnation and some sort of higher intelligence, but not in a creator god who watches and judges us. That is why I do not include God in my statement of having a religious belief, reincarnation is a common religious belief which is outside most strains of western religion. Hence I often have a religious belief without following a religion, and it doesn't involve a god.

However other times I think there is nothing but that which physics can teach us, I do love physics, but have had a few times in my life when I have seen clearly into the future of another person (based on perceiving their nature and where it will inevitably lead, so it is probably just my talent for observing things which others overlook). I also love maths and probability so I'm aware that predictions are likely to come true occasionally and that the brain can play very strange tricks to make these moment of clarity seem otherworldly, so I try to keep an open mind on the subject.

When people are very closed minded and bigoted (like in the "virtue" of unquestioning faith), they probably do deserve to be challenged about it. Challenging their beliefs is defined as blasphemy by them and is offensive to them, but is not unreasonable to everyone else.

Is OP still here? I'd be happy to discuss thoughts on the topic.

Ya man, I'm still here! What's up?

I have never witnessed such behaviour.

Me neither, I think the sun shines out of God's arse.

Jesus wants me for a sunbeam

But... you know where that sunbeam's just come from right?

Jesus exists! I've heard that God exists in all things but... butt.

yuck. Thanks for that. I did not really need to see a life sized dogs date on my computer screen. My day would have continued quite well without the experience

Good point indeed, and one I had trouble with for a while, figuring I was condemning people if I told them about God.

Reading through the Bible however, I now believe the following, that according to Revelation 20 which says:-

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[c] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.

I believe that everyone gets judged on what they did in life, so this is independent of a Belief in God, Romans Chapter 2 is worth reading regarding people who dont know the Law, but following it, being judged as being saved by the law more so than those who knew it, but didnt follow it so well.

Probably most of us though wont find our names written in the book of life from our own actions.

Jesus however saves us from our sins, it is written that those who belong to the Christ will not be judged at all but pass straight to life, like a get out of jail free card.

So to sum up, it is advantageous to know about Jesus because you can escape an otherwise adverse judgement at the Resurrection.

However, people who actually believe in Jesus and know of his requirements, but reject them out of hand will indeed be in a worst position but I would imagine such people who prefer to do bad than to obey Jesus, would do bad even if they never heard of Jesus so they wouldn't have been judged well anyway.