Do you feel drawn to Satanism

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I enjoyed reading LaVey (p.b.u.h lol), but to me his entire bible sounded like it was a reaction to established traditional religions, almost like it was a parody. Because of this, I see the likes of Christianity and Satanism as having the same nonsensical basis, and I wouldn't trust either doctrine when it comes to issues of morality.

What I like about LaVey's (pbuh :p) work is that it has aspects you will not find in many places. Philosophy can be very dry and emotionless, like a scientific report, I like the human touch you get from Satanism. Of course I take what I like from it, I don't accept it as a whole, and that is the only way to be a Satanist. I don't see them as having the same basis. Christianity is based in ancient myth, Satanism is more based on personal preferences. It was a reaction to the tyranny of Christianity but that could go many different ways. It does so in a unique way.

In morality I go by how I feel, and in some ways my feeling is along the lines of Satanism. I like the fact that they are vocal in their rejection of Christianity which has enslaved humanity for so long. I like their defiance.

I like their defiance too, but silly doctrines based on silly doctrines are still silly doctrines.

One must remember that LaVey was a showman, an entertainer, before he ever put pen to paper. I wouldn't trust Kylie Minougue's or the aforementioned Mr J Bieber's world view or philosophy.

Does wanting to kill Satan with my bare hands count? I'll do it if God wants me to!

But it does look like it going to hurt him, and maybe someone else if he plows into them while drunk. It's already hurt Scott Weiland, Cobain, Staley, Hoffman and on and on. Some can handle their riches, but failure doesn't seem rare.

Having the financial ability to significantly & realistically pursue hedonism seems to lead people to ruin. It doesn't seem some magical philosophy that generally leads to what those who pursue it to what they think it will. So, I don't feel drawn to it at all. And having been somewhat OCD, I know that compulsion is usually a liar.

But in what way is it based on Christianity?

Drunk driving is bad. Any pleasure one might get while doing it is by far outweighed by the risk to others and oneself.

People need not be ruined by wealth. You can use wealth to get everything you have ever wanted. It need not lead to harm. Pursuing your interests is better than working some job to survive. Having luxury is more pleasant than not having it. Buying services is better than not doing so. I see no reason why wealth must lead to destruction. If one is foolish then yes, but that is not a necessity.

'Based' was probably a poor choice of words, but LaVey himself admits in one of his earlier chapters (forgive the lack of quotes / refs, its been over a decade since I read it) that he began to formulate his philosophy as a reaction to the twisted morality of Christianity.

I would argue that if it wasn't for Christianity, the Satanic Bible would not have been written at all.

The fact that it was a reaction to Christianity does not bother me. The philosophy should be judged for its own merits. Personally I don't care about its origin. Given that Christianity was prevalent at the time, coming up with better alternatives which use Christianity as a reference was a good idea. But that does not mean that it becomes irrelevant without Christianity. It stands on its own. Subservience vs Individualism will always be a relevant theme.

There are things that I like about non-theistic satanism and others I don't

I agree with the whole "mind your dang business" model that it encompasses. Because I am very pro "everybody mind your dang business thing".

What I don't like is the sort of "an eye for an eye" morality that accompanies it. Specially since the amout of insult one might feel is completely subjective and things tend to get out of hand when people try to get even.

@GoonSquad and hyena.

I've removed your latest posts. Keep the conversation civil and free from personal insults/attacks.

Thank you. I lost my temper, sorry about the unpleasantness.

@GoonSquad,
So why do you seek good taste and protected sex? You criticized the Satanist for being driven by desire. If not desire, what is it that drives you to seek these things? Why do you pursue them? Think you can answer simple questions without evasions and useless fallacies?

Dude, I already answered your questions and even highlighted the most important bits from a peer reviewed source....

Pleasure is a preferred indifferent, and therefore seeking pleasure in a virtuous manner is in agreement with nature. As long as you act with virtue (temperance, in this case) there's nothing in (Roman) Stoic philosophy that prevents one from seeking pleasure.

The problem with Satanism, from a Stoic point of view, is not pleasure seeking. The problem is intemperance (lack of virtue). Seeking and taking pleasure in a vicious manner.

Satanists allow themselves to be driven by desire. Stoics strive to follow reason because they believe that reason is man's natural state. There's nothing unreasonable about seeking pleasure IN MODERATION according to Stoic philosophy.



http://www.churchofsatan.com/nine-satan ... ements.php

You cannot get past the first statement and maintain temperance.

That's it. I'm done. You don't have to take my word for any of this. You can read all about it here...
http://www.iep.utm.edu/stoiceth/#H3
That link will tell you all about goods, bads, and indifferents, moral progress, the works.

If you think it's wrong, argue with them, because I really don't care what you think.

Just sayin'.

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That lets me out because I don't indulge.

They would make better neighbors than Southern Baptists.At least they wouldn't be all judgmental.As long as no goats go missing,it's all hunky dory.