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sonofghandi
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24 Jun 2014, 1:12 pm

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If you support Hamas, you're not pro women's rights, not pro gay rights, not against the death penalty, not pro free speech, not pro democracy, and not pro human rights in general.


Just for the record there is a big difference between being Hamas and being Palestinian.


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24 Jun 2014, 1:21 pm

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the tune of destruction and overthrow they've played since Israel became a country and which Muslims have taken with them everywhere in the world, in all ages.


Do you really believe this is representative of all things Muslim?


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24 Jun 2014, 8:53 pm

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thomas81 wrote:
An African American journalist visiting the middle east tells it how it is-

"The Palestinians have no agency- The Israelis control everything"

"Zionism has convinced many Jews that they are preserving themselves. The common thought is that if the "savage" Palestinians stop resisting, stop shooting rockets, stop fighting Israel's inevitable domination, there can be peace. I find this peculiar because during my visit, I felt no danger from Palestinians, only from Israeli soldiers. Perhaps it's because I'm accustomed to being hunted in America. There is no Palestinian-Israeli conflict; there is only oppression."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ferrari-s ... 61896.html


Perhaps if one of the Palestine "spokesmen" were to join you in a meeting in one of the local Israeli coffee shops (where hundreds have been killed and thousands crippled and injured for life by Palestinian suicide bombers), you might have something else to say?

Across the last few years you haven't seen as many suicide bombers because the Palestinians found they could sway idiots with rhetoric better than they could blowing them apart. But this doesn't erase the real fear of Palestinian suicide bombers, and other warlike plans, nor should it.

And NOW the Palestinians have joined with Hamas. Hamas, which is dedicated to the destruction of Israel, and continues to shell, bomb, and kill or kidnap any Israeli they find. How would you feel if it was Mexicans suicide bombing "us", and sending missiles toward "us" instead of other strangers around the world? Maybe you'd get a little defensive too?

If Israel were to let their guard down, rest assured the Palestinians and their henchmen Hamas, would be swiftly playing another tune, the tune of destruction and overthrow they've played since Israel became a country and which Muslims have taken with them everywhere in the world, in all ages.

These are the people you extoll? Why?


There may not be an actual personal belief there, just parroting the typical progressive mandate of Israel hating without personal reflection on the matter.....


Hi Raptor.

You would like a "belief?" :D

How's this: Squawk!! ! About a million years ago (nah....about 30 or 40) I heard a member of the Israeli government say they wanted to live in peace with the Palestinians, but promised if Israel were attacked they would repay by killing 10 of them for each Israeli killed. This seemed like a fair warning to me then, and it still does. :)

And I notice you don't contradict the points I've made, other than to complain about my style. Any "first hand" knowledge on your part to offer?


Hmmmm...... :chin:
I thought I was agreeing with you but apparently not. Maybe next time I'll agree with Thomas81 but disagree with you. It don't matter much to me one way or the other.... :shrug:


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25 Jun 2014, 2:02 am

sonofghandi wrote:
Just for the record there is a big difference between being Hamas and being Palestinian.


Not really that all that much in most cases in terms of attitudes.