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26 Aug 2014, 7:41 am

SilverProteus wrote:
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I believe God has the ability to heal any ailment we face in this life...but whether autism's something to be cured is another matter. Faith also plays a part in it, because God can't work in those who refuse to trust Him.


Here it comes...can god even heal amputees? :roll:


Well, I don?t know of anyone who would actually trust God to regrow them a missing limb, so, following that reasoning, it?d seem it?s the amputees? fault for their lack of faith. Either that, or God doesn?t consider them deserving of such help for some other reason :roll:


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26 Aug 2014, 8:26 am

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To all christians, do you think theres a link between autism and the devil? Do you think Jesus can heal us?
I believe God has the ability to heal any ailment we face in this life...but whether autism's something to be cured is another matter. Faith also plays a part in it, because God can't work in those who refuse to trust Him.

I agree. His healing is certainly helped or hindered based on a person's free agency to not help in his own health. Kind of like drunks who beg to be healed of their addiction in the morning when their hangovers hurt most, but, just hours later, scorn God and "dare" Him to help despite the drunken stupor that they find themselves in by afternoon. Even atheist "scientific" physicians expect some cooperation by their patients. No different with God who says simply "Hm, well, it is up to you; I can only help if you want me to do so."

Great message! Thanks.


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26 Aug 2014, 8:55 am

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/\ The problem comes in when employers are using soft skills as criteria in addition to education and experience when hiring. Soft skills tend to be the area where we can really f**k up.
To those who want something more than to be bohemian bums or genteel poor this can be a problem.....


We genteel poor, bohemian bums, unlike the employers you seem to think so highly of, realize there's more to a person than just their "soft skills."
And plenty of NT's aren't qualified for every job - why beat up on Aspies for not being a perfect fit in every case?


Wut? :?
It's not about beating up on Aspies it's about employers using criteria that we are not particularly good at. This is just one thing out of many where we are at a disadvantage. Some people in this community have had trouble with the cops, failed marriages and relationships, etc. All attributable to being on the spectrum.
Point being it would be better not to be on the spectrum.


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26 Aug 2014, 9:18 am

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/\ The problem comes in when employers are using soft skills as criteria in addition to education and experience when hiring. Soft skills tend to be the area where we can really f**k up.
To those who want something more than to be bohemian bums or genteel poor this can be a problem.....

We genteel poor, bohemian bums, unlike the employers you seem to think so highly of, realize there's more to a person than just their "soft skills."
And plenty of NT's aren't qualified for every job - why beat up on Aspies for not being a perfect fit in every case?

Wut? :?
It's not about beating up on Aspies it's about employers using criteria that we are not particularly good at. This is just one thing out of many where we are at a disadvantage. Some people in this community have had trouble with the cops, failed marriages and relationships, etc. All attributable to being on the spectrum.
Point being it would be better not to be on the spectrum.

I believe that accommodations (even for people with AS or other ASDs) are about meeting someone half way to accomplish a common goal. In the AS/ASD context, we would do our jobs aptly and our employers would allow some ASD characteristics in their workplace. The details would be different for each arrangement, and, hopefully, those who benefit from such arrangements achieve their goals. I cringe when I learn that some of us are bigger fans of social separatism than of cooperation; but, of course, that goes for the employers, too.


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26 Aug 2014, 11:02 am

/\ Oh, it's more than just about work but work is a good place to start. What I'm talking about is the interaction imbalance that exists when dealing with other people and how it would be better not to have that obstacle as a constant in life. It's not going to go away and in my case I've learned how to crutch the symptoms of Asperger's where social interaction is concerned. Crutched does not mean fixed it means jury rigged to get by well enough in most cases.
When you realize that the real world is not particularly interested in learning about high functioning autism let alone coddling anyone afflicted with it in hopes that they might have redeeming qualities you might come to realized that it is at least in part a disability that generally does not work in our favor.


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26 Aug 2014, 11:12 am

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/\ Oh, it's more than just about work but work is a good place to start. What I'm talking about is the interaction imbalance that exists when dealing with other people and how it would be better not to have that obstacle as a constant in life. It's not going to go away and in my case I've learned how to crutch the symptoms of Asperger's where social interaction is concerned. Crutched does not mean fixed it means jury rigged to get by well enough in most cases.
When you realize that the real world is not particularly interested in learning about high functioning autism let alone coddling anyone afflicted with it in hopes that they might have redeeming qualities you might come to realized that it is at least in part a disability that generally does not work in our favor.

Well said.


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26 Aug 2014, 12:31 pm

SilverProteus wrote:
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To all christians, do you think theres a link between autism and the devil? Do you think Jesus can heal us?
I believe God has the ability to heal any ailment we face in this life...but whether autism's something to be cured is another matter. Faith also plays a part in it, because God can't work in those who refuse to trust Him.


Here it comes...can god even heal amputees? :roll:
Nope, because hes not real but if he was he would only heal reptilian, insect, and arachnid amputees.


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26 Aug 2014, 12:46 pm

SilverProteus wrote:
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To all christians, do you think theres a link between autism and the devil? Do you think Jesus can heal us?
I believe God has the ability to heal any ailment we face in this life...but whether autism's something to be cured is another matter. Faith also plays a part in it, because God can't work in those who refuse to trust Him.


Here it comes...can god even heal amputees? :roll:
I've heard of it happening, but every situation is different. God's ultimate concern is a person accepting Him for who he is, not just what He can do. Where do you think we got similar desires from?


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26 Aug 2014, 12:49 pm

Moviefan2k4 wrote:
SilverProteus wrote:
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To all christians, do you think theres a link between autism and the devil? Do you think Jesus can heal us?
I believe God has the ability to heal any ailment we face in this life...but whether autism's something to be cured is another matter. Faith also plays a part in it, because God can't work in those who refuse to trust Him.


Here it comes...can god even heal amputees? :roll:
I've heard of it happening, but every situation is different. God's ultimate concern is a person accepting Him for who he is, not just what He can do. Where do you think we got similar desires from?


Where did that last sentence come from? It appears disconnected from the rest of your paragraph. What are you trying to say?


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26 Aug 2014, 12:52 pm

Moviefan2k4 wrote:
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To all christians, do you think theres a link between autism and the devil? Do you think Jesus can heal us?
I believe God has the ability to heal any ailment we face in this life...but whether autism's something to be cured is another matter. Faith also plays a part in it, because God can't work in those who refuse to trust Him.

You've already rationalized why it won't work.



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26 Aug 2014, 12:54 pm

Moviefan2k4 wrote:
...God's ultimate concern is a person accepting Him for who he is, not just what He can do. Where do you think we got similar desires from?

Yep. The biggest sin in world (especially American) politics is to be black and anti-black, gay and anti-gay, feminist and anti-feminism, for a few examples. So, when humans, who are said to have been created in His image, become anti-God, I believe that it is their choice, of course, but no different than those who engage in my examples or other variations.


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26 Aug 2014, 1:03 pm

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Where did that last sentence come from? It appears disconnected from the rest of your paragraph. What are you trying to say?
I'm saying that our desire to be loved and embraced as we are is a reflection of God having similar traits.

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You've already rationalized why it won't work.
No, I just provided a reason consistent with Scripture. God is fully aware of those who want a miracle purely for selfish reasons, and those who seek Him first while requesting a miracle through humility.

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Yep. The biggest sin in world (especially American) politics is to be black and anti-black, gay and anti-gay, feminist and anti-feminism, for a few examples. So, when humans, who are said to have been created in His image, become anti-God, I believe that it is their choice, of course, but no different than those who engage in my examples or other variations.
If you're referring to self-defeating situations, I'd agree, but lets pinpoint something very critical: you can't paint every situation with the same brush. No person in their proper mind would try to escape their heritage, i.e. "black and anti-black." However, feminism and sexual behavior are chosen stances and mindsets, not inborn. Someone who's practiced homosexual behavior or radical "man-hating" forms of feminism can turn to Christ...and as they trust Him, he will work on them in those areas, one step at a time.


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26 Aug 2014, 1:12 pm

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I'm saying that our desire to be loved and embraced as we are is a reflection of God having similar traits.


I see, you endow your imaginary friend you call God with having a desire to be loved and embraced.


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26 Aug 2014, 2:57 pm

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You've already rationalized why it won't work.
No, I just provided a reason consistent with Scripture. God is fully aware of those who want a miracle purely for selfish reasons, and those who seek Him first while requesting a miracle through humility.

So, He will help us... as long as we don't really want it?



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26 Aug 2014, 3:27 pm

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I see, you endow your imaginary friend you call God with having a desire to be loved and embraced.
First, He's not imaginary. Secondly, He's described Himself that way; we didn't do that for Him.

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So, He will help us... as long as we don't really want it?
No, they key is whether we want Him as our Lord, or just a "quick fix" for a temporary problem. Millions would probably thank God if He restored their limbs or healed someone they loved...but then they'd go on like nothing ever happened, living however they wanted. God's not interested in that kind of selfish motivation.


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26 Aug 2014, 4:11 pm

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So, He will help us... as long as we don't really want it?
No, they key is whether we want Him as our Lord, or just a "quick fix" for a temporary problem. Millions would probably thank God if He restored their limbs or healed someone they loved...but then they'd go on like nothing ever happened, living however they wanted. God's not interested in that kind of selfish motivation.[/quote]
Then.... why did Jesus heal all those people who weren't yet Christians? Like those 10 lepers, only one of which had faith? (Luke 17:11-19).

And what about exorcisms? The possessed by definition don't have a pre-existing faith.