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02 Sep 2014, 11:54 am

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I have a neighbor living in the same bloc who's a leader of a flat-Earth islamic cult; they also have weird beliefs like for instance a woman can't lean on wall because wall is "masculine" (language wise :lol:); his brother a scholar in the same cult has a Permanent Residence in England! I've learned about him after seeing in the news for being arrested there for being caught planning something sinister.


Do he really believe the Earth is flat? 8O


Yes, Christians have Young earth creationists, here we have Flat Earth creationists!! Even funnier!

I've challenged one once to take a boat for a quest finding the world's edge.

Here, I found a topic on a religious forum talking about them:
http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=881
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His followers opposed all Muslims regarding the Qiblah direction in U.S.A and Canada, declaring recently that the earth is flat not rounded, they were disappointed after the failure debate with a Christian Lebanese cabinet member broadcast in 1996 on a Lebanese TV Channel. It was a ridiculous and silly debate that caused Christians to trust their religion and to mock Muslims, charging them with ignorance because they still reject this scientific fact.



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02 Sep 2014, 12:33 pm

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There is obviously a level of local support but support doesn't necessarily mean they'd personally adhere to the brand of Islam if given a choice, they probably prefer ISIS to Assad or Maliki or to US occupation.



And how large this "level of local support" would be? Even if ISIS has a 1 Million of fighters (and that's unlikely) ==> 1/34 mils (sunni population in syria and iraq, not even counting the other sects) = 2.9% ; let even count their wives, which is ridiculous as if their wives would have a choice, and make them...I dunno, 2, 3, 4 millions? and you have an unrealistic and very unlikely maximum 12% of local support.

You don't need much local support to conquer a country, you just need to be the stronger.


I'm not getting your math. I imagine many support ISIS because they don't like the alternatives.


You "imagine"?



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02 Sep 2014, 6:12 pm

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There is no rhyme or sense in the immigration laws in many countries. If a country is simply a member of the European Union, anyone can move to any other country in the union and live and work there (if they can find a job).


The EU is analogous to the USA's states. You can move anywhere in the USA without needing permission to work and live.

Moving to another sovereign nation means asking them for permission to live and work there. As they must ensure those coming into the country do not upset the economic balance enjoyed by the indigenous population, immigration standards are imposed.

When a nation wants more people coming in, they loosen the standards as they see beneficial. When a nation has too many wanting in, they tighten the standards accordingly.



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03 Sep 2014, 2:34 am

This child singer is so adorable :)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzx6XTSGCXM[/youtube]

And no trollcatman, before you get other silly ideas; it's just a song between mother and child. lol



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03 Sep 2014, 4:47 am

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Those hate imams went to the west because they would be jailed in their own countries for their speeches; now they are coming back.


And bringing radicalised followers from the west with them. I think we've been way too soft on these extremists in the west, letting them spew all manner of propaganda and not wanting to touch them for fear of being seen as politically incorrect, or seen as picking on Muslims or a minority etc. It is good to hold out the hand of friendship to minorities, but when that hand is repeatedly bitten, it is time to withdraw it and turn it into a fist.


Just a concrete example:
I know three languages, I have a master's degree in MIS with 7+ years of experience,and starting a new job even deeper in the field, and have tried to gain legal immigration into Australia but the conditions were very hard: A certain very specified of skill set and profession, proven experience in some demanded field, an overall score where everything from age, family status and education...etc there are millions of things, even through student visa, anything less than bachelor's in Australia wouldn't increase your chances (despite the huge marketing of vocational educations - after checking with the committee they add 0% change for immigration)- all in all it's long checklist with very difficult conditions, any minor condition not met would abolish all. I am also a vivid active supporter of humanitarian organization like KAFA (anti-women and child abuse) , and been active in other humanitarian and anti-violence/radicalism activities.

On the other hand a some ret*d radical or some hate imam, with little to no education and with values of Militant that go back maybe to 13th century, simply needs to crocodilly cry and get a proof he's being oppressed by his country's gov and often has a long history of hate speech, violations and aggression no better than his police gov, and gets access to the country as refugee along with his wife and kids.


I think Australia is one of the hardest countries to get into. It's completely ridiculous. EU or US might be easier, but it would still be really hard. If you do manage to get EU citizenship you can live and work in all of the EU, and even Norway, Iceland and Switzerland I think. I know that in the Netherlands they let in a limited amount of people if they have the right skillset the locals lack and can find work at one of the companies. I heard that in the US employers can sponsor people to get recidency.



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03 Sep 2014, 5:08 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
This child singer is so adorable :)

And no trollcatman, before you get other silly ideas; it's just a song between mother and child. lol


Hehe. I think I understand this one. It's just that people here when they see two men dancing they will assume they are gay. Same with holding hands: I've seen that in some places in the Middle-east friends sometimes hold hands and it's not seen as homosexual.
The Arabic music is a bit hard to appreciate if you're not used to it, since they use quarter tones or something. For people who are not used to the European scale it sounds like the instruments are not tuned.
Halfway the song the mother says fock fock fock!! Maybe the song isn't so innocent at all :twisted: :D



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03 Sep 2014, 5:13 am

zer0netgain wrote:
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There is no rhyme or sense in the immigration laws in many countries. If a country is simply a member of the European Union, anyone can move to any other country in the union and live and work there (if they can find a job).


The EU is analogous to the USA's states. You can move anywhere in the USA without needing permission to work and live.

Moving to another sovereign nation means asking them for permission to live and work there. As they must ensure those coming into the country do not upset the economic balance enjoyed by the indigenous population, immigration standards are imposed.

When a nation wants more people coming in, they loosen the standards as they see beneficial. When a nation has too many wanting in, they tighten the standards accordingly.


It's not exactly the same though. The EU are a bunch of sovereign states, all with their own immigration laws. So if I want to immigrate to Italy (from outside EU) and I know I won't get in, I could try becoming a citizen of f.e. Spain. Once I did that, I can move to Italy who wouldn't have let me in but they can't refuse Spaniards. So the sovereign countries have less control over who can get in because of the EU.



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03 Sep 2014, 5:31 am

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This child singer is so adorable :)

And no trollcatman, before you get other silly ideas; it's just a song between mother and child. lol


Hehe. I think I understand this one. It's just that people here when they see two men dancing they will assume they are gay. Same with holding hands: I've seen that in some places in the Middle-east friends sometimes hold hands and it's not seen as homosexual.
The Arabic music is a bit hard to appreciate if you're not used to it, since they use quarter tones or something. For people who are not used to the European scale it sounds like the instruments are not tuned.
Halfway the song the mother says fock fock fock!! Maybe the song isn't so innocent at all :twisted: :D


Now I recall where I've first seen her on screen, it was on the Arab got talents program where it was her debut, she's from Bahrain and she was much younger there; kids grow fast. The sad babyface she made at the hesitant (3:32) jury member at the end was priceless lol.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjyF34cer0c[/youtube]



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05 Sep 2014, 2:09 am

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A lot of it our problems are from British-born extremists and terrorists.

A lot of our problems are self inflicted or imported.


A very interesting study:

Here are the rates for some (in order of the least radicalized percentage to the greatest):

Sweden: 1 in 30,000 (have left to join the Islamic killers)

Spain: 1 in 20,000

France: 1 in 8,000

Albania: 1 in 7,000

Netherlands: 1 in 7,000

Germany: 1 in 6,000

UK: 1 in 4,000

Norway: 1 in 3,400

Finland: 1 in 1,000


http://www.hstoday.us/industry-news/gen ... 39e8e.html


UK has a high rate, probably due to the Brotherhood refugees.



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05 Sep 2014, 9:02 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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A lot of it our problems are from British-born extremists and terrorists.

A lot of our problems are self inflicted or imported.


A very interesting study:

Here are the rates for some (in order of the least radicalized percentage to the greatest):

Sweden: 1 in 30,000 (have left to join the Islamic killers)

Spain: 1 in 20,000

France: 1 in 8,000

Albania: 1 in 7,000

Netherlands: 1 in 7,000

Germany: 1 in 6,000

UK: 1 in 4,000

Norway: 1 in 3,400

Finland: 1 in 1,000


http://www.hstoday.us/industry-news/gen ... 39e8e.html


UK has a high rate, probably due to the Brotherhood refugees.


Or maybe because the British are politically correct to an extreme. They wouldn't even let Geert Wilders into the country because he said negative things about Islam, even though what he says is mild compared to what different sects of Islam say about each other. A while ago there was a radical Sunni on tv saying that Assad had to die, not because he was a brutal dictator but because he was of some different Muslim sect.



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05 Sep 2014, 9:05 am

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... maybe because the British are politically correct to an extreme.


Political correctness has reached epidemic and stupid levels in Britain now. Like the recent case of more than 1000 kids being sexually abused, but nobody did anything about it because the abuse was being done by Asians and nobody wanted kick up a fuss and be accused of racism. :roll:


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05 Sep 2014, 9:15 am

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... maybe because the British are politically correct to an extreme.


Political correctness has reached epidemic and stupid levels in Britain now. Like the recent case of more than 1000 kids being sexually abused, but nobody did anything about it because the abuse was being done by Asians and nobody wanted kick up a fuss and be accused of racism. :roll:


I heard about that too. It seems the UK missed the political changes around 2000 in many mainland European countries such as the Netherlands and Denmark. Back then political correctness regarding minorities (especially Muslims) was strong here too. These days it's very different here. Yesterday one of our MPs called the Quran a terrorist manual, a filthy book and a license to kill, all in one sentence. That would have been unheard of 15 years ago. The murder of Theo van Gogh by a radical made people quite upset.



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05 Sep 2014, 9:27 am

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... maybe because the British are politically correct to an extreme.


Political correctness has reached epidemic and stupid levels in Britain now. Like the recent case of more than 1000 kids being sexually abused, but nobody did anything about it because the abuse was being done by Asians and nobody wanted kick up a fuss and be accused of racism. :roll:


I heard about that too. It seems the UK missed the political changes around 2000 in many mainland European countries such as the Netherlands and Denmark. Back then political correctness regarding minorities (especially Muslims) was strong here too. These days it's very different here. Yesterday one of our MPs called the Quran a terrorist manual, a filthy book and a license to kill, all in one sentence. That would have been unheard of 15 years ago. The murder of Theo van Gogh by a radical made people quite upset.


If any British MPs were to make that remark they would be forced to resign and would likely be kicked out of whatever political party they were in.


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05 Sep 2014, 9:33 am

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Norway: 1 in 3,400

Finland: 1 in 1,000


Maybe they were butthurt because they couldn't eat or drink for a whole month during Ramadan because of being so close to the North Pole. :twisted:



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05 Sep 2014, 9:49 am

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I heard about that too. It seems the UK missed the political changes around 2000 in many mainland European countries such as the Netherlands and Denmark. Back then political correctness regarding minorities (especially Muslims) was strong here too. These days it's very different here. Yesterday one of our MPs called the Quran a terrorist manual, a filthy book and a license to kill, all in one sentence. That would have been unheard of 15 years ago. The murder of Theo van Gogh by a radical made people quite upset.


If any British MPs were to make that remark they would be forced to resign and would likely be kicked out of whatever political party they were in.


The PVV (his party) is 3rd in the polls now. That was from before he said this but he's said way worse over the years. He can't be expelled from his party because he is the only member (seriously). Even the other MPs in his party are not actually members of the political party, just of the Lower House PVV fraction. I wouldn't vote for him, but he is actually really funny with his speeches and debates.



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07 Sep 2014, 2:00 pm

trollcatman wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
This child singer is so adorable :)

And no trollcatman, before you get other silly ideas; it's just a song between mother and child. lol


Hehe. I think I understand this one. It's just that people here when they see two men dancing they will assume they are gay. Same with holding hands: I've seen that in some places in the Middle-east friends sometimes hold hands and it's not seen as homosexual.
The Arabic music is a bit hard to appreciate if you're not used to it, since they use quarter tones or something. For people who are not used to the European scale it sounds like the instruments are not tuned.
Halfway the song the mother says fock fock fock!! Maybe the song isn't so innocent at all :twisted: :D


Well, this kind of music shown in the videos are too hardcore traditional (Gulf), it's something very culturally Arab Gulf, think of "Country music" of Southern US, I imagine very few non-Americans would appreciate that genre of music and most would find it annoying

There are plenty of other (not new) Arab music schools, some use western instruments (Levantine), Some of the Lebanese (Rahbani sub-type of Al Masriq music school) music for instance is strongly influenced by Christian chants and carols.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gohnjdL0xs[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0t-EvAZrp8[/youtube]


Northen Africa have their own music schools too and fundamentally different, the most popular is the Algerian "Raï" genre, this was a 90s hit Algerian song - modernized Raï:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7-YyghdmzU[/youtube]