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13 Nov 2014, 6:21 pm

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yes twins that are seperated can lead very similar lives. Although you could argue it is genetics.


Twins- even separated at birth, do lead very similar lives (it has been studied at length). I do argue that it is genetics because although the twins have similarity to their twin with the same genome, there is no similarity in lives to other people who share the same moment of birth.

According to google, 384,000 people are born every day. If astrology were correct, these people would share life outcomes and personality traits as identical twins do. But they don't. So the identicality comes from genetics not from time of birth.


I don't know about that, as the twins have the genetic similarities in addition to the same astrology sign. So it would make sense that twins would be more similar than say two people with the same astrology sign right? Just throwing out there, not sure entirely how I feel about astrology.


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13 Nov 2014, 8:02 pm

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IN the limited evidence for pre-cognition that DOES EXIST in science..

Science does show.. that the observer effect (AFFECT) of disbelief and negativity...

can kill what exists of the life of precognition however small that

truth may be...


Am I incorrect to paraphrase this as 'you have to accept that it works without question, critical thinking interferes with the magic'?


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13 Nov 2014, 8:32 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Janissy wrote:
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yes twins that are seperated can lead very similar lives. Although you could argue it is genetics.


Twins- even separated at birth, do lead very similar lives (it has been studied at length). I do argue that it is genetics because although the twins have similarity to their twin with the same genome, there is no similarity in lives to other people who share the same moment of birth.

According to google, 384,000 people are born every day. If astrology were correct, these people would share life outcomes and personality traits as identical twins do. But they don't. So the identicality comes from genetics not from time of birth.


I don't know about that, as the twins have the genetic similarities in addition to the same astrology sign. So it would make sense that twins would be more similar than say two people with the same astrology sign right? Just throwing out there, not sure entirely how I feel about astrology.


If factor A were proven to matter, and factor B were proven to matter, then yes- folks who share both A, and B, would be expected to be more alike than those who share just A, or just B.

But we havent yet proven that factor A (astrology) matters. But B (genetics) is proven to matter.

The point is that you cant use the similar lives of identical twins as proof of astrology because all indentical twins share both factors (indentical natal chart, and identical genome) so you cant seperate the two variables to test them seperately.



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13 Nov 2014, 8:35 pm

Not only has Astrology never been proven to work, it has never been demonstrated how Astrology allegedly works.



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13 Nov 2014, 8:38 pm

an astrologer explained to me that it is not the zodiacal objects expressing influence directly on earthly subjects, but instead served as markers in time for things to manifest on some heretofore unexplained cosmic schedule.



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13 Nov 2014, 8:42 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Janissy wrote:
slenkar wrote:
yes twins that are seperated can lead very similar lives. Although you could argue it is genetics.


Twins- even separated at birth, do lead very similar lives (it has been studied at length). I do argue that it is genetics because although the twins have similarity to their twin with the same genome, there is no similarity in lives to other people who share the same moment of birth.

According to google, 384,000 people are born every day. If astrology were correct, these people would share life outcomes and personality traits as identical twins do. But they don't. So the identicality comes from genetics not from time of birth.


I don't know about that, as the twins have the genetic similarities in addition to the same astrology sign. So it would make sense that twins would be more similar than say two people with the same astrology sign right? Just throwing out there, not sure entirely how I feel about astrology.


If factor A were proven to matter, and factor B were proven to matter, then yes- folks who share both A, and B, would be expected to be more alike than those who share just A, or just B.

But we havent yet proven that factor A (astrology) matters. But B (genetics) is proven to matter.

The point is that you cant use the similar lives of identical twins as proof of astrology because all indentical twins share both factors (indentical natal chart, and identical genome) so you cant seperate the two variables to test them seperately.


Of course its not proof, also though if something hasn't been proven but also has not been entirely dis-proven than it is still possible.


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13 Nov 2014, 8:53 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
aghogday wrote:
IN the limited evidence for pre-cognition that DOES EXIST in science..

Science does show.. that the observer effect (AFFECT) of disbelief and negativity...

can kill what exists of the life of precognition however small that

truth may be...


Am I incorrect to paraphrase this as 'you have to accept that it works without question, critical thinking interferes with the magic'?


Yes you are incorrect and this is not my opinion as per the research that was done a negative dead like emotional atmosphere was the issue not critical thinking as there is a huge difference among those who do experience complex human emotion that is the true fire of motivated living and human perception in general.


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13 Nov 2014, 9:10 pm

aghogday wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
aghogday wrote:
IN the limited evidence for pre-cognition that DOES EXIST in science..

Science does show.. that the observer effect (AFFECT) of disbelief and negativity...

can kill what exists of the life of precognition however small that

truth may be...


Am I incorrect to paraphrase this as 'you have to accept that it works without question, critical thinking interferes with the magic'?


Yes you are incorrect and this is not my opinion as per the research that was done a negative dead like emotional atmosphere was the issue not critical thinking as there is a huge difference among those who do experience complex human emotion that is the true fire of motivated living and human perception in general.


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Are you able to clarify? I recognize the words you've used as English and yet somehow they're not combined in a fashion that conveys any meaning. It's very difficult to derive any meaning from your posts, let alone your intended meaning.
I don't mean to be rude, I'm curious and wish to understand what you're trying to say but my brain hurts.


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13 Nov 2014, 10:04 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
aghogday wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
aghogday wrote:
IN the limited evidence for pre-cognition that DOES EXIST in science..

Science does show.. that the observer effect (AFFECT) of disbelief and negativity...

can kill what exists of the life of precognition however small that

truth may be...


Am I incorrect to paraphrase this as 'you have to accept that it works without question, critical thinking interferes with the magic'?


Yes you are incorrect and this is not my opinion as per the research that was done a negative dead like emotional atmosphere was the issue not critical thinking as there is a huge difference among those who do experience complex human emotion that is the true fire of motivated living and human perception in general.


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Are you able to clarify? I recognize the words you've used as English and yet somehow they're not combined in a fashion that conveys any meaning. It's very difficult to derive any meaning from your posts, let alone your intended meaning.
I don't mean to be rude, I'm curious and wish to understand what you're trying to say but my brain hurts.


Aghogday regularly gets this from people who are new to his posts and their... unique formatting style and internal "logic". Eventually you'll just learn to smile, nod, and scroll past.



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13 Nov 2014, 11:05 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
aghogday wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
aghogday wrote:
IN the limited evidence for pre-cognition that DOES EXIST in science..

Science does show.. that the observer effect (AFFECT) of disbelief and negativity...

can kill what exists of the life of precognition however small that

truth may be...


Am I incorrect to paraphrase this as 'you have to accept that it works without question, critical thinking interferes with the magic'?


Yes you are incorrect and this is not my opinion as per the research that was done a negative dead like emotional atmosphere was the issue not critical thinking as there is a huge difference among those who do experience complex human emotion that is the true fire of motivated living and human perception in general.



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Are you able to clarify? I recognize the words you've used as English and yet somehow they're not combined in a fashion that conveys any meaning. It's very difficult to derive any meaning from your posts, let alone your intended meaning.
I don't mean to be rude, I'm curious and wish to understand what you're trying to say but my brain hurts.


It's truly impossible to understand the way I write for people who do not experience complex emotion.

I know, as there was a time I did not.

And Alexithymia is present in approximately 85% percent of cases of Autism, so it's certainly not unanticipated that some of what I say now that I am over that very challenging disorder will not be understood.

Poets have no problem understanding me now that I am a poet. Most all successful poets have access to pro-social emotion.

There are some things in life that can only be described and explained in poetic expression.

But no, not everyone is capable of understanding poetic expression and not everyone is able to understand quantum physics.

I'm blessed with both abilities, and I do mean blessed.

All the researchers are saying here is, pre-cognition does not happen in the research if strong pro-social emotion is not present.

If you do not experience STRONG pro-social emotions or precognition, of course this is all Greek, but some folks on the spectrum are born empaths, like me, and only lose their emotions when they burn out, later in age, AND THAT LEADS TO SERIOUS ISSUES WITH RECIPROCAL SOCIAL COMMUNICATION.


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13 Nov 2014, 11:07 pm

I remember hearing somebody say something on the order of "most people don't get most poetry, because most poetry doesn't get most people." I have to be in a certain frame of mind before certain poetry "speaks" to me.



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13 Nov 2014, 11:08 pm

drh1138 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
aghogday wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
aghogday wrote:
IN the limited evidence for pre-cognition that DOES EXIST in science..

Science does show.. that the observer effect (AFFECT) of disbelief and negativity...

can kill what exists of the life of precognition however small that

truth may be...


Am I incorrect to paraphrase this as 'you have to accept that it works without question, critical thinking interferes with the magic'?


Yes you are incorrect and this is not my opinion as per the research that was done a negative dead like emotional atmosphere was the issue not critical thinking as there is a huge difference among those who do experience complex human emotion that is the true fire of motivated living and human perception in general.


8O
Are you able to clarify? I recognize the words you've used as English and yet somehow they're not combined in a fashion that conveys any meaning. It's very difficult to derive any meaning from your posts, let alone your intended meaning.
I don't mean to be rude, I'm curious and wish to understand what you're trying to say but my brain hurts.


Aghogday regularly gets this from people who are new to his posts and their... unique formatting style and internal "logic". Eventually you'll just learn to smile, nod, and scroll past.


Listen up dude, I graduated from college with three degrees at the top of my class and lasted almost 25 years working for the Government at the GS11 pay grade level, and part of my duties were technical writing.

I go out the box, as I continue to explore my human potential, and part of that is expertise in martial arts, dance, and power lifting 810 LBS with my legs.

In other words I do not remain in a box. Poetic expression in understanding philosophy of life, is just another step out of that box.

In other words, your silly attempt at a personal attack is like a fly bouncing off a brick.


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13 Nov 2014, 11:10 pm

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13 Nov 2014, 11:11 pm

auntblabby wrote:
I remember hearing somebody say something on the order of "most people don't get most poetry, because most poetry doesn't get most people." I have to be in a certain frame of mind before certain poetry "speaks" to me.


True until just a little over a year ago, it was almost all Greek to me, and I do feel most blessed to finally have that door opened in my life.

I'm always looking for the next step, and in doing so I usually eventually find it, whether or not others travel with me.


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14 Nov 2014, 4:46 am

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That's for sure, and a Yogi can tell you that, for sure, who controls their bodily functions like body temperature, steaming heat off of robes in icy water, and controlling alpha and theta brain waves, without even any bio-feedback machines.

And yes, science has finally measured this, per the scientific method, evidenced as true, and no NOT someone's imagination.

And for all practical intents and purposes, I am a Yogi, as in real documented life; I have gained mastery over my bodily functions as well. I don't own any long pants, not even when the temperatures dip down into the teens, here in North Florida, as I have undomesticated myself, per real true human effect and AFFECT per regulation of brain waves, body temperature, and emotions as well.

If I had waited for science to tell me how to do it, it would have never happened.


Have you heard of the Iceman? That's the nickname of a guy who ha trained himself to keep his body temperature up in cold temperatures. Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Hof

Maybe this is how our ancestors survived stuff like the last ice age. When I went skiing long ago I remember some of the locals wore summer clothes in the snow. Maybe they learned to get used to the cold.


Tibetan monks can regulate their body temps.
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04 ... tummo.html


They sort of have to, since it's so cold up there in the mountains. :D



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14 Nov 2014, 5:28 am

trollcatman wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
trollcatman wrote:
aghogday wrote:
That's for sure, and a Yogi can tell you that, for sure, who controls their bodily functions like body temperature, steaming heat off of robes in icy water, and controlling alpha and theta brain waves, without even any bio-feedback machines.

And yes, science has finally measured this, per the scientific method, evidenced as true, and no NOT someone's imagination.

And for all practical intents and purposes, I am a Yogi, as in real documented life; I have gained mastery over my bodily functions as well. I don't own any long pants, not even when the temperatures dip down into the teens, here in North Florida, as I have undomesticated myself, per real true human effect and AFFECT per regulation of brain waves, body temperature, and emotions as well.

If I had waited for science to tell me how to do it, it would have never happened.


Have you heard of the Iceman? That's the nickname of a guy who ha trained himself to keep his body temperature up in cold temperatures. Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Hof

Maybe this is how our ancestors survived stuff like the last ice age. When I went skiing long ago I remember some of the locals wore summer clothes in the snow. Maybe they learned to get used to the cold.


Tibetan monks can regulate their body temps.
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04 ... tummo.html


They sort of have to, since it's so cold up there in the mountains. :D


The reason that some people can wear summer clothes in snow, and so on, is twofold:

1. As people acclimate to their climate, the regions of the brain associated with homeostasis determine how close the blood vessels should be to the epidermis. When it is hot the blood vessels widen ( AKA vasodilation) and when it is cold the blood vessels shrink (AKA vasoconstriction). This primarily occurs in the extremities, as when it is cold the core must be kept warm and when it is hot if the blood flows more freely it can cool. There are some other factors involved that can cause vasoconstriction during the cold (as your fingers get numb they suddenly vasodilate), or some odd patterns like the Hunting reaction, but for the most part it is simpler to understand things this way.

2. People from different climates tend to inherit different bodily proportions genetically if their ancestors are from the same area. In arid climates people have long limbs and also elongated torsos, while in more frigid temperatures the opposite seems to be the case. This also has to do with blood flow and whether or not the core needs to be kept cold/hot.

I don't mean to sound like a know-it-all to people who already know this. It merely fascinated me when I first read this as I took a course in physical anthropology a long time ago.


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