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Jacoby
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13 Mar 2015, 4:27 pm

That's the problem with hindsight, obviously in retrospect the UN partition plan is more preferable to the current situation for the Palestinians but like the Israelis now nobody wants to concede anything. I'm not sure there is a solution at this point with all the bad blood between them, Israel feels they won and shouldn't have to negotiate anything so how do you change that? They won wars as a conquering army and it would take another one to change it. Sanctions I suppose you could say but really what needs to happen is for the US to adopt a more neutral take in the conflict and to divorce itself from its allegiance to Israel, you can't have a "special relationship" with the most powerful country on earth and expect both sides to come away equally. In my opinion there shouldn't be a Jewish or Arab Muslim state, it should all be one secular country with equal rights but that's probably a bit idealistic. I don't see a two state solution being currently feasible however and think it will always end up fruitless, Israel will not allow it and have done everything to prevent it since they see a stable Palestinian state as a threat to their security. The sad thing is that even if there was some one state solution, a lot of Israelis would probably abandon ship before living side by side with the Arabs.

I think that's basically what has to happen, the secular Jews who aren't there because it is "the holy land" should leave probably either to the US or back to Europe or maybe South America or something I dunno. I don't think this will ever happen tho, at least not peacefully. It's a messed up situation.



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16 Mar 2015, 3:31 pm

It is kind of like if the two sides were little siblings fighting over a toy called Jerusalem, a parent would say, "Neither of you get Jerusalem until you grow up, and we might just put it in a yard sale. Now go to your rooms!" ;)

Kashmir another stupid conflict that started around the same time, involves a population of 12 million. The population of the Palestinian territories is 2 million, Israel 8 million.

In Kashmir the death toll is something like 30-40k in the last 20 years, the Israeli–Palestinian conflict around 20-30k since the 60s.

The total displaced Palestinians was around 700k (including those the fled to the Palestinian territories), and decedents represents 5 million. I have no figure on Kashmir but I suspect it is higher.

I think the differnce the original refugees all those are not living in camps like they are in some of the neighbor Arab countries. This is more tot do with political status, than needing them to live in a camp.



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17 Mar 2015, 8:33 pm

Israeli Balloting Appears to Keep Netanyahu Ahead


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17 Mar 2015, 8:56 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Netanyahu is a joke and so are the Republicans that bowed at his feet, that man wants US children to die for Israel. He actually tried to convince us that fighting ISIS shouldn't be a priority because they're fighting against Iran. Lets hope Israel tosses him out in their coming election.




This. Netanyahu cares about Jewish interest and that's it. I would say no to Netanyahu as president of the United States, but he already is. ...What can we do.