Can Homosexuality and the Christian Faith Exist Together?

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Lets please not start this again. Every time a religious discussion begins among people on this forum someone has to say "well the bible is a fairy tale", well that is what you think, not me or the OP, and it is irrelevant to the OP's question.
People need to stop saying stuff like this in threads like this. If he was seeking to do away with religion, then it would be relevant, but he isn't is he.

It can coexist with Christianity just as much as it can with any other sin and the Bible is pretty clear on its belief that the act of homosexuality is sinful. I wasn't raised religious but I do believe it is said that we are all inherently sinful and that Jesus died to forgive us for these sins so why would homosexuality not be included in that?

When someone suggests that we are sinners for nonsense, then I'll tell them it's a fairy tale...

At least you are forward with it and honest. Thank you for that.

Thanks!

I don't see why people can't be gay, bisexual, asexual, etc. and not be of a Christian denomination. Clearly people missed out on the part where Jesus was about forgiveness and acceptance, not of stoning people to death for being of a different sexuality.

Edit: Also, if you believe being gay is a choice, then try "choosing" to be gay for a day. f**k, I cannot understand that idiotic train of thought. You're born gay just as much as you were born on the spectrum. The end. Period.

I don't see why it cannot coexist. Overall, there's nothing wrong with being homosexual and being religious at the same time. Being gay while accepting the moral teachings of god is fine.
'God' forgives sinners. 'God' accepts everyone regardless their sexuality.

Usually the phrase "God made you this way." with pride. and no, I don't think 'god' hates gay people. Extremist and close-minded religious humans hates gay people and claiming that their 'god' does. People have no right to judge or change it.

And really, how did homosexuality become a choice instead of a natural trait? Because that's how people believes it's a sin because gay people chose to be gay. (Please correct me if I'm wrong. My knowledge of the bible is rather limited. And I'm not much of a believer...)


If I were to take it in a literal sense: If one didn't chose to be homosexual to begin with, that means it wasn't a sin at all.

would you mind providing a quote where it states this? becouse afik, it doesn't say anything of the sort.

i do not claim to know the bible verbatim, but i have some decent knowledge of it. i seem to remember a verse stating something like "say not to a man that if he lies with another man, this is a sin onto him". this, to me, states that being gay is, literally, not a sin.

So according to your view of god, we are all of us born lustful and we all must refrain from enjoying our natural sexual desires whatever they are? I mean I can see the sense to this if your sexual desires result in physical or emotional harm to others (discounting those fools who get offended by the very existence of differing sexualities) BUt really refrain from erotic contact because it is sinful!! !! Sorry I love my life, love my sex life, and could not give two hoots what ancient manuscripts of dubious authorship say on the matter.

My advice to the OP: go out and enjoy life, revel in it (as best you can, if ever there was a curse to enjoying life ASD is surely one), have sex, masturbate, masturbate whilst having sex - trust me you wont go doubly blind, above all do what comes naturally to you - keeping in mind the physiological and emotional pain of others. If you must believe in god, fine, but do not let the fundamentalists who take the bible out of its historical context, ruin your life and your fun.

Oh and in case it is not embedded in your brain by now, unless you can trust your sexual partner, PRACTICE SAFE SEX

THAT'S GREAT ADVICE..

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The Catholic church is not against homosexuals. Being homosexual is not a sin. Only behavior can be a sin. Homosexuals cannot get married in the church not because the church hates them, but because that kind of relationship doesn't meet the basic criteria. In general (there are a few exceptions), a marriage is only considered valid once it's been consumated. This means sexual intercourse that is open to the creation of life. This is impossible with same sex couples therefore their marriage can never be valid.

The best way to hate someone is to repress, oppress, or subjugate
their Human Nature through illusory manmade, NOT 'GOD-MADE RULES'.

TO SCREW IS TO SCREW.

IT MATTERS NOT WHAT PART GOES IN WHAT.

Overall, GOD makes folks evolved to screw.

And that part is left up to humans of what part goes where.

The problems COME WHEN SQUARE PEGS ARE FORCED INTO ROUND HOLES.

AND THAT IS WHY, AT LEAST IN PART, THE CATHOLIC RELIGION IS AN EPIC HATER,

OVERALL, PER what makes humans tick per GOD GIVEN NATURE.

AND not only that but in primitive societies where sexual activity is allowed from
puberty freely, in consensual activities in what some so-called
primitives societies name still today, as the
WORK OF THE NIGHT TO CREATE
socially cooperative folks, there are not even
any words for homosexuals or MASTURBATION.

A DEPRIVED HUMAN OF THEIR BASIC INSTINCTS IN NATURE GIVEN AS GIFT BY GOD,
instead, ruled by SILLY HUMAN rules and REGS CAN and 'JUST DO'
result IN THE STRANGEST OF potential FETISHES,
INCLUDING
potentially straight folks, LEARNING OTHER
PLACES TO FIT their parts into, to fists
of alternate personal 'loving' ways of Masturbation.

GOD WILL HAVE GOD'S WAY, unless humans

SCREW IT UP WITH round pegs in square holes and vice-versa, LIKE THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH AND SO MANY OTHERS, WHEN IT COMES TO HUMAN NATURE 101,
and basic sexual freedoms PROVIDED BY the 'good' of Nature as GoD
VS ILLUSORY Human silly and sad FEARS, RESULTING in MORE
human suffering and misery,
NOW.

If the Catholic church doesn't straighten up and relax forced lies AGAINST GOD Given HUMAN nature,
IN AN INCREASINGLY open minded society,

the doors in Catholic churches may start to close in larger numbers, as currently the
more heavily repressing, oppressing and subjugating ways of Southern Baptist churches
are currently going DOWN.

FOLKS like Pope Francis, have more than 'half-a-brain' on these issues of human nature, Given by
the GOD that is Nature.

He considers homosexuals MORE God's Children to behave as they please
THROUGH RELATIVE HUMAN FREE WILL, instead of his OWN PLAYTHINGS FOR
HIM TO DEFINE AND CONTROL.

He's like St Francis of Assisi, except he's respecting homosexuals, in addition to other animals, as whole humans entitled to their own choices of behavior, instead of him, as a silly little judging human, WITH A FUNNY HAT FOR hierarchy, against folks of differing sexual orientation preferences..

So by your reasoning, pedophiles should be free to have sex with little children as that is their nature? People with other disorders should be free to do as they please as that is their nature? Come on.

The church teaches that sex is for two equal purposes, unity between husband and wife and for procreation. It is the same reason it is a mortal sin to use birth control as it removes the creative aspect from sex. The church's purpose is to teach truth. If people reject the truth that is up to them, but the truth does not and cannot change which is why the church's teaching on this cannot change. You're free to reject the church's teaching as is everyone, but it can't change. Pope Francis can't change it even if he wanted to, which, if you've read anything he's ever said outside of the spin the media puts on a few choice phrases out of context, you'd know he has no intention of changing it.

Nope I didn't say that; you just did.

AND MY GRANDFATHER WAS A CATHOLIC PRIEST, EXCOMMUNICATED LAST CENTURY WHO WAS AN AUTHOR WHO DOCUMENTED ALL THE DIRT IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

AND IF YOU are not aware of the history of the Catholic church, it has changed immensely during the history of it.

It doesn't even resemble what it used to be, in what is the actual practice today of the Catholic Church, by the audience, as such.

As Pope Francis clearly states, it's a hierarchal power hungry institution and the folks in it will do whatever it takes to retain the audience and the power, even if that means, eating their previous words of lies.

Pedophiles have a human disorder, at least in part, propagated by repressing normal sexual behavior by repressing human nature by the church and cultural rules AGAINST NORMAL HEALTHY SEXUAL BEHAVIOR, PER INTERCOURSE, WITH MATURE humans.

Sex IS AN innate, instinctually and INTUITIVELY beautiful thing, when not guilted by illusion of culture and religion, AND EVEN JESUS WAS AGAINST THE INSTITUTION OF MARRIAGE. I MEAN duh; that's still in the NT, in all Catholic versions.

And SEX, when practiced naturally, at least in primitive societies, as referenced, so-called perversions as noted in religious and modern rule, are not even part of the society like they are in repressed, oppressed, and subjugated by illusory religious and cultural rules in TRULY BACKWARDS MODERN society.

Those so-called perversions of human sexuality, per 'nasty fetishes', are not even part of the language, IN REFERENCED PRIMITIVE SOCIETIES, AS SUCH.

And hell no, I do not expect to change your mind about anything, as most humans are ruled by other humans, instead of GOD, and GOD allows that ILLUSORY RULE, no matter the extent of human misery, suffering, and killing that results.

And don't get me wrong, I haven't missed a Sunday of Catholic church in a year and a half, since I recovered from 19 medical disorders through the amazing all powerful innate and instinctual intuitive human healing properties that are the same frigging powers that American Indians, South American Indians, and other primitive folks freely access without repressing, oppressing, and subjugating by other humans through illusory fears in the 'dirt' part of big black books.

AND to be clear, dirt means away from light and TRUTH, aka Darkness, and although the bible has plenty of light, it has plenty of dark illusory FALSE forces, as well.

I have the GOD given ability to discern the truth from the lies; but just because lies are included in the bible, doesn't mean I'm gonna throw the light baby out with the dirty water.

I don't play black and white life.

GOD, is a multi-colored fifty shades OF 'GREY and infinity more than silly little human attempts to chain GOD in a relatively tiny, 3500 hundred year old revised black book.

I mean duh, that's just common sense. I understood that age 3 looking across one of GOD's rivers, before I could speak.

You can just call it my Autistic SUPER POWER, GIFTED BY GOD, IF YA LIKE..

It doesn't have to be explicitly called out in the Bible to be a sin. The church believes that sex is to be creative an unitive and Jesus gave the church the power to determine this.

God can't change his mind. God essentially exists outside of time since he knows all things, past, present and future. God is also perfect. For God to change his mind that would imply that his current state is not perfect and that the new position is perfect which, if God knows all and is perfect would be impossible. Perfection can't change therefore God can't change.