The scientific method

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Well stated. Beliefs can vary hugely among people who call themselves Christians, even within the same denomination.

Anyone who is telling other people what that person believes is an ignorant jerk. You don't decide what other people believe, other people know what they believe. Doesn't matter if some book says so, that doesn't mean they personally believe it.

Also, I think it's worth noting that it was muslims who invented the scientific method, not atheists. Before anyone says Al-Ghazali killed science, I've actually read his writings, and he was actually pro-science, and said that people who use religion to attack science just make religion look bad because only an idiot would take the religious doctrine over the scientific proof, especially math, as unlike general science it is in fact irrefutable knowledge. He was critical of metaphysics, not physics.

The fact I believe in just about none of the things you brought up being wrong with the bible, proves my point, nothing you brought up even rates a maybe on my scales.
Try again.

Ganadox. I presume you read my op. In it I most certainly gave credit to Islamic science. I don't know if it is correct to say they invented the scientific method as we conceive it today. But most certainly they had the concept of evidence based upon the natural world, which unfortunately became lost to humanity for several centuries.

So you don't believe in the resurrection of Jesus?

The scientific method IS empirical, and contains within it the means of validation. As you state, it is a tool. And the validity of that tool is shown by the fact that it works. The scientific method gave us the electronics of which our computers are built. The scientific method gave us the knowledge and tools to eradicate smallpox. The scientific method taught us the importance of washing our hands. The list is endless.

Sadly, science reporting in the popular press is so incompetent that much of the general public does not understand the scientific method or scientific conclusions. Preliminary findings are reported as established facts, so that contradictory, and equally preliminary findings, are then reported as "science changes its mind."

Science brings us ever closer to an accurate understanding of our world. Such aspects of the method as double blinding and replication provide verification within the scientific method itself. Science works. It's that simple.

I believe in that, but I also have a very easy time believing in what science can prove right.
It isn't morally wrong to believe in the resurrection, nor will it affect my outlook on science.

I didn't say it was morally wrong, I said it was obviously false. People don't come back to life. There are millions of reliable accounts of death and no reliable accounts of resurrection. Therefore, resurrection doesn't happen.

Ultimately, there is no reason TO believe the Bible or put any stock in any of its claims. If it says something sensible, then by all means, follow it - but there are plenty of books that contain sensible advice without implausible metaphysical claims, glaring historical inaccuracies, and immoral declarations.

Well, if it really happened at all (the crucifixion of so-called Jesus), it is a story after all, coming from oral tradition, and crucifixion as practiced THEN, as THE 'HISTORY' and 'BBC' CHANNEL' SHOWS, IS a slow tortuous process of Hanging someone up on a T looking cross, per YES, the history of that AND waiting for them to suffocate with their ARMS propped up over their HEAD, and taking 'care' of the body after that happens, dead LOOKING, OR not.

It is reported as often a several days slow and YES, tortuous process for the individual undergoing the way of Crucifixion death, THEN.

But duh, some people can look dead and come back to life, without ever really being dead, particularly in instances of where folks look like they suffocated to death.

So perhaps that's what it looked like if it really happened but he (so called Jesus) really did survive, if he lived at all, and maybe went off to Kashmir or someplace like that to continue to minister his NEW AGE-like YOGI-like ministry of all 'Naturist Guru Dude stuff'....

Per the link here, potentially censored out of NT LORE.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm

'You guys and gals', JUST MIGHT consider THE FACT that the world ain't black and white, and we are talking about two thousand years ago, AND not 'Doogie Howser M.D.'

Anyway, I'm not the FIRST person to 'try' to figure this 'STUFF' ALL THE WAY OUT, IN a rational MANNER, LIKE THIS..





Or A poetic, lyrical, musical one, EITHER, BY NEW AGE 'PROPHETS' OF THE 'ROCK AND ROLL
CLOTH'.



And by the way, I suffered from the worst pain known to mankind, in medical literature, named as Type Two Trigeminal Neuralgia, also known as the suicide disease, from waking to sleeping for 5 LONG YEARS OF REAL HUMAN HELL.

AND in trying to CONVINCE my mother that TYPE TWO TRIGEMINAL NEURAGLIA THAT IN MY CASE was like someone drilling MY teeth without novocaine, except the PAIN is in the right eye and ear controlled by the Trigeminal Cranial Nerve, instead of the teeth area, IS WORSE THAN CRUCIFIXION, SHE whips out a documentary book on the crucifixion of Jesus that also relates this truth above I speak here.

And in doing so, my mother turns to a page that CLEARLY STATES THAT MY CONDITION IS WORSE PAIN THAN CRUCIFIXION.

AND I AM 'BLESSED' BY GOD NOT ONLY TO EXPERIENCE THIS PAIN FOR 3 HOURS OR 3 DAYS BUT YET, YES, 5 WHOLE YEARS.

HAHA! NOW THAT I am well, and living in THE REAL GNOSTIC JESUS DESCRIBED HEAVEN OF NOW, folks around HERE THINK THEY CAN GET ON MY NERVES.

WELL think, again..

AND TO be clear folks around here, mean everywhere where folks think they know what they are talking about, who try to dismiss me as insane, or whatever.

I FACED THE real ALL NATURAL GOD face to face and TRUST ME THERE IS NO ESCAPE, no matter who one thinks they are.

And perhaps not even IN death but I can't PROVE THAT YET, WITH EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, AND PERHAPS I WILL, AS JUST 'CAUSE IT AIN'T BEEN DONE YET, DON'T MEAN IT WON'T.

People have underestimated me MY ENTIRE LIFE, AND I HAVE PROVEN ALL OF THEM WRONG, EVERY SINGLE TIME.

BUT YEAH, I have the REAL ALL NATURAL FORCE of God on my side, and I can prove those results in black and white AND IN COLOR, AS THE LIVING MULTI-COLORED HUMAN BEING I AM, as I have already done here ad-nauseam, for the participating audience, no doubt...

There is no empirical evidence for The Resurrection - only the writings of a few old men, delayed by as much as 50 years after the alleged event, and embellished with each re-telling. Believe the stories, if you will; but understand that belief proves nothing.

BELIEF MAKES EVERYTHING HAPPEN.

The emotion not the myth.

Belief is not an emotion. It is a state of mind.

"Believing" something does not make it true.

"Believing in" something does not make it real.

Thus it follows that believing that something will happen does not make it happen. Events happen due to physical causes, natural or man-made, and not mental states.

Sadly, apparently, one has never experienced the emoting power of belief,

if one TRuLY believes, what one just stated.

And Frankly, that's sad.

I believed, WITH THE TOTAL POSITIVE EMOTIONS OF
FAITH, HOPE, AND BELIEF, so I can do this:



What can one do, 'Superman?'

And I'm talking about flesh and blood stuff; not abstract constructs in one's 'head'.

If anything is not real, those abstract constructs floating around in one's head IS 'really' illusion.

BELIEF IS ONLY AN EMOTION FOR THOSE WHO EXPERIENCE THE EMOTION OF BELIEF.

SADLY THOSE FOLKS WHO DO NOT EXPERIENCE THE EMOTING POWER OF THE EMOTION OF BELIEF
ARE OFTEN STAGNANT
AND REPEAT THE SAME STUFF OVER AND OVER AND OVER LIKE A PARROT or a ROBOT.

I should know, I spent years without the emotions of faith, hope or belief, and was almost a complete
shut-in.

In being reborn again in those emotions, now I can do things that no one in the entire world can do
at my age of 54.

Additionally, i EMPLOY, USE, DEVELOP, AND CONTINUaLLY PRACTICE
THE power of relative free will that not all humans employ,
utilize, and practice the same;
in regulating all emotions, integrating
senses, and enhancing cognitive executive functioning, per focus and short term memory through the
kind of creative physical intelligence that even science NOW SHOWS drives all these higher potentials of human
beings, who LITERALLY exercise fuller intelligence, like a Human 'FERRARI' MIND AND BODY IN BALANCE.

YES, WHEN 'MUHAMMAD' TALKS ABOUT metaphorically MOVING MOUNTAINS AND WHOEVER SAID YA CAN DO
ALMOST ANYTHING WITH 'FAITH THE SIZE OF A MUSTARD SEED', WAS NOT KIDDING, EXCEPT FOR THOSE
FOLKS WHO never experience the EMOTING POWER OF THE EMOTIONS OF Faith, Hope AND BELIEF, and DO NOT TRULY generate irrefutable real life miracles, by doing so,
like me, and many others, historically speaking, as the record shows, WHO ACTUALLY DO REAL LIFE MIRACLES
with the emoting power of faith, hope, and belief through the additional emoting power of YES, THE EMOTING POWER OF THE EMOTION OF RELATIVE HUMAN FREE WILL.

ANYTHING THAT EMOTES ACTION IN HUMAN BEINGS IS EMOTION.

BUT SADLY AGAIN, FOLKS WHO DO NOT experience these emotions
have figuratively and literally no frigging
FEELING OF WHAT THE HELL I'M TALKING ABOUT, HERE.

AND YEAH, once again, been there and done that black hole heart/soul/spirit stuff,
so I can sympathize with experiencing no emotions of faith, hope and belief.

I have no answer for one but HOPE.

And without THE EMOTION OF HOPE,
It's not gonna help one.....

One will have to take that one up with

GOD, AS THAT'S BETWEEN one AND GOD AND OR NATURE
AND no one else.

In other words, only one can make THAT HAPPEN..