Hey, anti-gunners, 'Bush's Brain' agrees with you!

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25 Jun 2015, 2:32 am

luan78zao wrote:
Fugu wrote:
"mommy what does a strawman look like?"

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i'm on the left and i think having a militarized police force is a bad idea as well, please don't paint everyone with your stupid caricature.


Children and beauty pageant contestants are commonly indulged in a little magical thinking. Everybody else needs to own the implications of the policies he advocates.

If you love to eat omelettes, but hate the idea of breaking eggs, you really need to go somewhere and reconcile your clashing premises. Come back when you have something coherent to say.

Governments do not issue hints or suggestions. Every law, edict, regulation, and executive order is ultimately backed by the threat of lethal force. Otherwise nobody would pay much attention to them.

If you favor a tightly regulated, centrally controlled economy, with rules and regulations covering most aspects of human behavior – which is what "leftist" means nowadays – then you favor a large and powerful police force. Who else is going to enforce all those rules and regulations? The unicorns? To be a leftist is to advocate a police state; there is no other way to control the economy.

And those who call for the mass confiscation of privately held firearms are calling for a police state that would make all previous police states look like the Girl Scouts.


Very very well said. :hail:
I like to keep in mind how many of them are on the dole and thier whole driving force is about them getting thier free stuff (and more of it). All that other s**t about fairness, human rights, and being our brother's keeper, etc. is just window dressing.


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25 Jun 2015, 2:40 am

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The US won't ban guns and yet they ban things like Kinder's Surprise eggs because they think OMG like our little children might swallow the toys inside them. They ban children watching superhero movies, playing baseball, or holding hands at schools. Why is banning guns such a big deal when they've banned so many other things for the most stupid reasons?

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Yes, banning guns is definitely the answer to all our ills.
Look how well banning illicit drugs has gone over the decades. It's just my imagination that I can go two miles from my house and buy all the meth I want.

Oh, the "little children" thingy doesnt work so well on non-progressive. Thought you ought to know.....


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25 Jun 2015, 2:51 am

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America does not have the highest homicide rate in the world but amongst more prosperous countries we rank pretty low. America obviously has a problem with violence.


It's your African-American population that makes it so high.

They have 17 murders per 100,000 people compared to around 2 per 100,000 for "white" Americans. So, it ends up around 6 per 100,000 overall (ethnic ratios are why it's not split evenly there; African-Americans make up 14% or so of the population).

The African-Americans need real help in the way of effective social programs (and the removal of gang "culture").

Look at Switzerland with its homogenous society, tons of military gunz, and its less than 1 per 100,000 murder rate; Japan is less than 1 too (why they probably don't have as many policing incidents?).


African Americans are not the problem. Half of tat 14% are women that rarely kill, males over fifty or under fifteen rarely kill.

Black males 15 to 50 are 4% of the population, and commit the majority of the crime that leads to convictions.

Half of all reported crimes are never solved, most Black on Black crime are not reported, A lot of rapes are not reported. Many crimes there is no way to tell the race of the criminal.

This 4% may be the cause of 75% of the crime, then there are unrecorded Mexicans.



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25 Jun 2015, 2:54 am

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All you have to do is look up the number of deaths due to gun use in America. If you aren't appalled by it, well, ,I think that says something about you.


Appeal to emotion.

When you have a population of 300 million or so and you have a lot of firearms around, you'll expect that there'll be a lot of deaths with firearms. Replace firearms with daggers, and you'll have a lot of deaths with daggers.

I'm all for helping crime with effective measures. But, not for ineffective measures that waste money, time, and punish a large lawful population of people, and are heavily based in emotion.



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25 Jun 2015, 4:09 am

Thread degenerated into ridiculous straw-men attacks in the 5th post and never recovered. Additionally, we presently have a large volume of active threads about gun control.

Apologies to those of you who weren't comparing your opponents to murderers, police statists, and Nazis, but the thread has to be locked at this point.