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13 Jul 2015, 12:57 pm

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So you are saying no regulations on either guns or cars? Well, according to the constitution, there is nothing stopping anyone from regulating cars, if we go by that alone. However, the over regulation would cause public outcry. Gun owners are the lucky ones because, if you ever bought a car, you would know - the tag, title and taxes, fees upon fees. You don't have that when you go to buy a gun.

I feel like I'm arguing with a fencepost. :roll:
Taxes paid on a vehicle help cover the wear and tear on roads and bridges.


Well, you know...taxes on guns could help cover hospital bills due to gun injuries - but it doesn't happen. So why are you complaining? It could be so much worse and WOULD be if guns were treated like cars. You would have to pay taxes every single year on your gun. You would need a title and a tag and stickers over and over every single year you have it. Which is worse?

See, in my state, you go to a Pawn Shop, pick a hand gun out, tell the clerk that's the one you want to buy. He has you fill out a form. You fill it out. He enters the info into that background checker and if it says okay, you are in the clear. You hand over your money, he gives you a receipt, puts the gun in a sack and you walk out the door to your car. You can stick your gun in a room in your house and forget about ever paying another dime on it again. With a car, if it is in your driveway, you can do the same but if you ever want to put it on any public street, must have a current tag and sticker. If the cops see it sitting in the street without a current sticker, they can issue a citation. Most people don't buy a car just to keep in their driveway, anyway.


I drive my car EVERY DAY so therefor it does take a toll on roads and bridges and utilises taxpayer provided resources as all cars do. I do not I shoot my guns every day but when I do it is at a shooting range where I pay annual dues to cover wear and tear. If I have to shoot someone it's going to be their fault, not mine, and I could care less about their medical bills.



What about insurance? There's a law in my state that says if you drive a car on public roads, you must have insurance verification and you can say, but I am a safe driver, I never intend on having a wreck! And that's pretty much my argument but it holds no water. It doesn't matter how safe I am, I still must pay for auto insurance or drive dirty and face a citation if I am caught, or, if I get into a wreck, even if it's someone else's fault, face a world of hurt for not having insurance.

We cannot predict the future. We can safeguard but no one knows for sure what will happen.

No law exists requiring you to have gun insurance, does it?

So why sooo much complaining is all I ask. The comparison here...even if you think they are both over regulated...isn't realistic. Sure, you think, just because a man doesn't have to fill out a form and check to see if he's sane before he drives a car, guns are so regulated and it's unconstitutional blah blah blah but you neglect to mention what you have to do to get a car in the form of money and taxes, and the fact you need a license to get the insurance and a proof of insurance before you can get the registration in your name!! ! So you see, it's more subtle than with guns but it's there none the less and getting a gun, for most, is far easier (and cheaper!) than obtaining a car unless you are a felon or have been deemed incompetent by a judge, that is. Most people are not incompetent though plenty do have felonies.



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13 Jul 2015, 1:19 pm

@AspieUtah; I'd ask for a lock at this point, this is only going to get dumber, and it's already pretty dumb. The handful of us who know what we're talking about are in a no win situation here, as BS can be flung out with virtually no effort, while rebutting said BS takes time and effort, especially if you're going to go all out and link to sources, so we're set up to be rope-a-doped here. Unless you enjoy 15+ pages of vitriol, lies, and misinformation, I suggest putting this dog down.


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13 Jul 2015, 2:04 pm

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Hey the Supreme Court makes mistakes as was proven in Dred v Scott. It erred.

And the fact cars aren't in the constitution shows the document is antiquated. How can this document possibly reflect our world today when cars aren't even in it anywhere? Cars are the most important thing we have at the moment.

Now before this is taken in a way it's not intended, I am not against gun ownership or gun rights. I just think this comparison to cars is a bit like comparing apples to oranges. YES they are both round but what else? Fruits? *nods*

So? What does it matter? An apple will never be an orange and an orange will never be an apple.

You put the cars with the cars and the guns with the guns. And that's that!

so maybe they made mistakes about gay rights and obama care? you can't say the supreme court is right about A praise them they are so good, then say they are wrong about B. either they'll right about both or they have no right to make rulings on anything.

yeah that's why you make so many anti gun threads because you support the 2nd amendment lol.

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So which would you rather it be, like guns or like cars because with cars, sure, anyone with money can buy a vehicle but to be able to actually drive it anywhere but your own yard, you must obtain the license, tag the vehicle and in some states, get it inspected otherwise the cops will hound you again and again once they are on to you driving dirty. Actually, it's much, much easier to own and operate a gun in your own home than to legally drive a car on public streets. All you need to do is pass a background check, most people can pass it except for the felons and certified mentally ill but there's a plan in place allowing an incompetent person to go before a judge and be declared competent so they can have their gun rights restored.

Are you against what folks have to go through to obtain the concealed and open carry permits? That is just common sense. People who buy guns should take classes. If you don't know about your own gun, how can you use it for protection? If you don't know about how to use it, it's actually more dangerous for you to have it because it can easily be used on you defeating the purpose entirely. So, I am not sure what it is you are criticizing since it's not so bad now.



read what you just posted. own and have a gun vs driving a car on the street. proper comparison would be owning a car on private property and owning a gun in you home. you don't need to pass any test or get driving license to own and drive a car on your property nor do you have to get it insured or registered. also registration is just a way to get money. its a tax that they say goes to fixing the roads.

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So you are saying no regulations on either guns or cars? Well, according to the constitution, there is nothing stopping anyone from regulating cars, if we go by that alone. However, the over regulation would cause public outcry. Gun owners are the lucky ones because, if you ever bought a car, you would know - the tag, title and taxes, fees upon fees. You don't have that when you go to buy a gun.


theres taxes on guns and ammo. so we do in fact pay it(something like 10-25%), imagine if when you bought a car you had to pay 25% of its value to drive it?. we also have to pay 10-50 for a background check, submit a 4 page paperwork(car is just one short page) , this is kept for 20 years. now if you want to get a sbr(sports car) you have to do larger paperwork, pay 200, and wait 6 months. car owners have it far more easier.

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Are you against what folks have to go through to obtain the concealed and open carry permits? That is just common sense. People who buy guns should take classes. If you don't know about your own gun, how can you use it for protection? If you don't know about how to use it, it's actually more dangerous for you to have it because it can easily be used on you defeating the purpose entirely. So, I am not sure what it is you are criticizing since it's not so bad now.

So where's the evidence supporting this "common sense"?
"I want" and "I thnk" arent evidence or rationale.

It's in what I posted! If you are not educated on guns and up against someone who is, the one who is has the advantage and can easily get the gun out of your hands therefore defeating the purpose entirely. No longer is it used for your self defense, instead your demise. So, it's in your best interest to allow training in this area.


guess we better for ever train, quit our jobs and live a monk type life of constantly training. there will always be someone more better with something then you. theres navy seals out there, and there's spetznaz that are better then them, and someone better then them. most gang criminals are not trained if they were they wouldn't hold their gun sideways.



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13 Jul 2015, 2:14 pm

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So you are saying no regulations on either guns or cars? Well, according to the constitution, there is nothing stopping anyone from regulating cars, if we go by that alone. However, the over regulation would cause public outcry. Gun owners are the lucky ones because, if you ever bought a car, you would know - the tag, title and taxes, fees upon fees. You don't have that when you go to buy a gun.

I feel like I'm arguing with a fencepost. :roll:
Taxes paid on a vehicle help cover the wear and tear on roads and bridges.


wouldn't it be great if we were't taxed for buying guns, then have that tax go towards taking guns away and yes a little bit towards hunting animal conservation. I don' hunt, also you don't hunt with a handgun, so shouldn't' it only be on rifles, also isn't that what a hunting tag fee is for. nope most goes towards gun buy backs and the like. and they keep pushing to make it 50% tax on all guns. gives them more money and makes guns more hard to buy do to artificial price increase. anti gun people may be crazy but stupid they are not. they have plans. nothing they do is for good of people, but just a way towards their goal of banning all guns.


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@AspieUtah; I'd ask for a lock at this point, this is only going to get dumber, and it's already pretty dumb. The handful of us who know what we're talking about are in a no win situation here, as BS can be flung out with virtually no effort, while rebutting said BS takes time and effort, especially if you're going to go all out and link to sources, so we're set up to be rope-a-doped here. Unless you enjoy 15+ pages of vitriol, lies, and misinformation, I suggest putting this dog down.


indeed. also theres more of them then us being wp is more liberal. honestly I'm probably more liberal on any issue other then guns and immigration, yet its these two issues which are brought up 90% of the time.

I'm really starting to see no point in talking to these people about this issue, they won't ever see another side nor care to. they've been too brainwashed by people who have a agenda, or they are part of the agenda. anna for example has no idea what you go through to buy a gun. she compares driving cars on the road to having a gun at home, where a proper comparison would be carrying a gun to driving a car. I pay $65 per 2 years for my car, i pay 70 per 5 years to carry my gun, mind you as raptor said carrying a gun causes no damage to the infrastructure. if anything I should pay the feds for using their gravel pile they dumped for us in the woods, but wait income taxes pay for that so nope I'm good. really they just bought too much gravel for the roads and so it solved two problems. got rid of their extra gravel and gave people a backstop.

no point in linking stuff dox. they'll just claim its made up to support our evil plans of people owning guns. as far as evil plans go ours suck don't you think?



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13 Jul 2015, 2:46 pm

So, Sly, you don't believe in training for a job? People train to drive a car. Why is it so ghastly to suggest training for a gun? It can only make you better at shooting and safety so why is it such a big deal?



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13 Jul 2015, 3:17 pm

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@AspieUtah; I'd ask for a lock at this point, this is only going to get dumber, and it's already pretty dumb. The handful of us who know what we're talking about are in a no win situation here, as BS can be flung out with virtually no effort, while rebutting said BS takes time and effort, especially if you're going to go all out and link to sources, so we're set up to be rope-a-doped here. Unless you enjoy 15+ pages of vitriol, lies, and misinformation, I suggest putting this dog down.
it was already dumb; a car is not designed to kill



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13 Jul 2015, 3:22 pm

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I'm really starting to see no point in talking to these people about this issue, they won't ever see another side nor care to. they've been too brainwashed by people who have a agenda, or they are part of the agenda.
if by 'agenda' you mean 'stop the pointless deaths from guns', yah why not.
this whole thread started out with a specious premise and just wandered downhill from there.



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13 Jul 2015, 3:26 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
So, Sly, you don't believe in training for a job? People train to drive a car. Why is it so ghastly to suggest training for a gun? It can only make you better at shooting and safety so why is it such a big deal?


people practice to barely pass a test. then most if not all of them do as they want. breaking laws whenver they can. speeding is very common, then not stopping at stop signs then creeping forward(instead just going to the creeped forward part and stopping if stopping at all.) looking both ways beofr pulling out. driving super close and not giving proper spacing(tail gating) should I go on?

people don't train to drive. if you randomly tested people they'd fail. give them enough time and they'll be able to fake it enough to pass. this is the great system you worship lol. though you think people should be tested yearly to own guns, people who drive get tested once at 16-18 and never again. they just pay a fee and get it renewed. some states require one to go and pass a shooting class every time they renew their carry permit.

if we did it like cars , people wouldnt' get better at shooting. it'd be like a cop. oh you shot all 5 rounds on the target you're set to go. vs snipers that train for best accuracy they can get.

owning a gun is not your job. would you attend weekly driving classes for the rest of your life? what about weekly cooking classes(you have access to sharp deadly knifes with cooking) what if we required classes for anything dangerous in life? so mandatory swimming classes, baseball class, construction classes. went to own anything that could hurt someone then you have to take classes. so hatchets, bats, knifes, saws, hammers, etc. all of them.

i took driving lessons from a school. most people don't' ever take training or classes for driving. they just get in a car and drive around then go take a test. a test that a lot of times they'll pass you and tell you what you did wrong and say just don't do it again.



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13 Jul 2015, 3:30 pm

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So, Sly, you don't believe in training for a job? People train to drive a car. Why is it so ghastly to suggest training for a gun? It can only make you better at shooting and safety so why is it such a big deal?


people practice to barely pass a test. then most if not all of them do as they want. breaking laws whenver they can. speeding is very common, then not stopping at stop signs then creeping forward(instead just going to the creeped forward part and stopping if stopping at all.) looking both ways beofr pulling out. driving super close and not giving proper spacing(tail gating) should I go on?
so your argument is that because american vehicle testing is sh***y, we should also make gun regulations equally sh***y? uhhh :roll:



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13 Jul 2015, 3:33 pm

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@AspieUtah; I'd ask for a lock at this point, this is only going to get dumber, and it's already pretty dumb. The handful of us who know what we're talking about are in a no win situation here, as BS can be flung out with virtually no effort, while rebutting said BS takes time and effort, especially if you're going to go all out and link to sources, so we're set up to be rope-a-doped here. Unless you enjoy 15+ pages of vitriol, lies, and misinformation, I suggest putting this dog down.
it was already dumb; a car is not designed to kill


knifes, hatchets, bows, bats were all designed to kill. I'd assume you also want to bann all those?
cars were first used for military. most things in this world are designed for military use then brought over. militaries drive advancement.

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I'm really starting to see no point in talking to these people about this issue, they won't ever see another side nor care to. they've been too brainwashed by people who have a agenda, or they are part of the agenda.
if by 'agenda' you mean 'stop the pointless deaths from guns', yah why not.
this whole thread started out with a specious premise and just wandered downhill from there.



yes because its ok if they killed just not by guns. oh noe dont' shoot me to death, oh you're goign to stab me to death well that's ok.

what about all the people who die from cancer via second hand smoke. should we lock up smokes and ban cigs, cigars etc?

what about all the pointless drowning deaths. if we just banned swimming pools so many people would be saved.

the agenda is people control its nothing to do with saving lifes. follows think it is but the people leading the agenda only want a submissive population. its why followers say they don't' want all guns banned just ____, but the leaders meet and say we want them ll and one by one we'll ban them all.

many people followed the nazis thinking they were doing stuff for the good of the people only to later find out they killed millions of people and only cared about their own power.

same with soviets. people get so blinded by ideas they ignore the reality.

oh so you're not even from here. well shut up, don't live here you ahve no right to try to change how we live. you wouldn't' like it if we tried to get your nation to ban stuff you like but we don't. stay out of others business and life style.



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13 Jul 2015, 3:35 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
So, Sly, you don't believe in training for a job? People train to drive a car. Why is it so ghastly to suggest training for a gun? It can only make you better at shooting and safety so why is it such a big deal?


people practice to barely pass a test. then most if not all of them do as they want. breaking laws whenver they can. speeding is very common, then not stopping at stop signs then creeping forward(instead just going to the creeped forward part and stopping if stopping at all.) looking both ways beofr pulling out. driving super close and not giving proper spacing(tail gating) should I go on?
so your argument is that because american vehicle testing is sh***y, we should also make gun regulations equally sh***y? uhhh :roll:


knowing you dont' live here, thers absolutely no point in talking to you. atleast ann lives here. you don't have to deal with anything that happens or could happen because of this stuff. if such laws were passed and america went into a bloody civil war. you'd be non effected.



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13 Jul 2015, 3:36 pm

yes op you really should just have it locked. now the foriengers who know best are coming in.

wrongplanet is a lost cause dox.



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13 Jul 2015, 3:41 pm

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@AspieUtah; I'd ask for a lock at this point, this is only going to get dumber, and it's already pretty dumb. The handful of us who know what we're talking about are in a no win situation here, as BS can be flung out with virtually no effort, while rebutting said BS takes time and effort, especially if you're going to go all out and link to sources, so we're set up to be rope-a-doped here. Unless you enjoy 15+ pages of vitriol, lies, and misinformation, I suggest putting this dog down.
it was already dumb; a car is not designed to kill


knifes, hatchets, bows, bats were all designed to kill. I'd assume you also want to bann all those?
cars were first used for military. most things in this world are designed for military use then brought over. militaries drive advancement.

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I'm really starting to see no point in talking to these people about this issue, they won't ever see another side nor care to. they've been too brainwashed by people who have a agenda, or they are part of the agenda.
if by 'agenda' you mean 'stop the pointless deaths from guns', yah why not.
this whole thread started out with a specious premise and just wandered downhill from there.



yes because its ok if they killed just not by guns. oh noe dont' shoot me to death, oh you're goign to stab me to death well that's ok.
you can't get stabbed from 20 feet away.
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what about all the people who die from cancer via second hand smoke. should we lock up smokes and ban cigs, cigars etc?
are cigarettes designed to kill? can you kill someone from 20 feet away with a cigarette?
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what about all the pointless drowning deaths. if we just banned swimming pools so many people would be saved.
does a gun come with a lifeguard? are swimming pools the only places you can drown?
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the agenda is people control its nothing to do with saving lifes. follows think it is but the people leading the agenda only want a submissive population. its why followers say they don't' want all guns banned just ____, but the leaders meet and say we want them ll and one by one we'll ban them all.

many people followed the nazis thinking they were doing stuff for the good of the people only to later find out they killed millions of people and only cared about their own power.
the nazis ended up allowing guns, so your comparison isn't one.
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same with soviets. people get so blinded by ideas they ignore the reality.

oh so you're not even from here. well shut up, don't live here you ahve no right to try to change how we live. you wouldn't' like it if we tried to get your nation to ban stuff you like but we don't. stay out of others business and life style.
not sure where you're getting that from, nor am i surprised to hear such a inane screed from you :/



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13 Jul 2015, 3:42 pm

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yes op you really should just have it locked. now the foriengers who know best are coming in.

wrongplanet is a lost cause dox.
xenophobia and you can't even spell foreigners correctly. wow.



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13 Jul 2015, 3:53 pm

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yes op you really should just have it locked. now the foriengers who know best are coming in.

wrongplanet is a lost cause dox.

My concerns about WrongPlanet.net are all over the forum. Something has happened in the last few months. I have asked the moderators to lock this topic immediately. Honestly, I thought the OP was kinda funny but true. Clearly, too many screeching Communists/Progressives/Liberals took it as something vastly more important than it is.

There goes free speech at WP. Shouting down "enemies" is now the new WP pastime.


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yes op you really should just have it locked. now the foriengers who know best are coming in.

wrongplanet is a lost cause dox.
xenophobia and you can't even spell foreigners correctly. wow.

Says the member who doesn't use correct punctuation. Wow, indeed.


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